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by elicksaur 460 days ago
>And people were saying

Source? A quote? Or are we just making up historical strawmen to win arguments against?

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I've heard from people older than me that this is how people felt about compilers.

https://vivekhaldar.com/articles/when-compilers-were-the--ai...

He provides some sources (7) at the bottom of the article.

To pick one, the following has a video interview with one of the founders of Fortran:

https://www.ibm.com/history/fortran#:~:text=Fortran%20was%20...

So we're not making up stuff, this perspective was ubiquitous among assembly programmers of the 1950s. In 1958 (as the first article I link to mentions), half of programs were written in Fortran. Which means half of people still thought writing assembly by hand was the way to go.

I've personally written assembly by hand for money on an obscure architecture, and I've also written a non-optimizing compiler for a subset of Rust to avoid the assembly. There is great joy in playing stack tetris, but changing code requires a lot of effort. Imagine if there weren't great alternatives, you'd just get good at it.

I imagine if there weren't compilers (or interpreter) I would never have learned how to code. My generation of programmers was taught with Java and in my university course we did all our homework in the first year using BlueJay, a program that made it _even easier_ to get up and running with a bit of Java code.

(just to save some face: I learned Prolog in my second year).

Yeah, before high-level languages, programming was mostly done by mathematicians and electrical engineers who felt adventurous.

I also had BlueJay on my first semester. But fortunately I had machine architecture, compilers and operating systems later.

Not quite what the OP claims but see for example the Story of Mel:

  I had been hired to write a FORTRAN compiler
  for this new marvel and Mel was my guide to its wonders.
  Mel didn't approve of compilers.

  ``If a program can't rewrite its own code'',
  he asked, ``what good is it?''
https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/3008/pg3008-images.html...

Though to be fair The Story of Mel supports rather than refute the argument against compilers.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Programmers_Don%27t_Use...

The joke story is mocking the common arguments/beliefs at the time.

If you expect me to source you a collection of comments about "real programmers" from over 30 years ago though that is too much of an ask but I was there, I read it often and I started fairly late on the scene in the 90s.

No quote or source, but I can corroborate. I've even heard the same argument when C++ was getting popular and C was still the "standard."