[Logge]

GTP 4.5 is not a reasoning model. Reasoning models outperform it clearly. Even OpenAIs o3-mini is smarter while being magnitudes cheaper. Those 2 should be compared in my opinion. GPT 4.5 feels like a failed experiment to see how far you can push non-thinking models.

[logicchains]

>GPT 4.5 feels like a failed experiment to see how far you can push non-thinking models

It's not a failed experiment, it's a very good experiment, because it produced a very useful piece of information for the world (that there's limited return to further size scaling).

[Logge]

Good point. But pushing it as a product with that knowledge still puts it in a weird spot for me.

[azinman2]

Outperform in what way? Reasoning models may be able to solve problems correctly a bigger percentage of time, but they burn many tokens to get there. So they’re much less efficient, both in latency and ultimately environmental cost.