[laidoffamazon]

> In Young Cho thought she was going to be a doctor but fell into a trading internship at Jane Street

Genuinely perplexing how they always try to show each multi-million earning engineer as some normal person and not someone that went to Exeter and Harvard

[ecshafer]

Graduating from a SUNY school, Jane Street gave me an interview and a fair shake. I didn't get the sense of elitism there. There does happen to be a lot of really smart engineers, mathematicians and scientists going to Harvard, MIT, etc.

There are places that without that Ivy League or Target School degree you don't hear back, I don't think Jane Street is one of them.

[andrepd]

JS absolutely does filter on school though.

[laidoffamazon]

Might be different with a SUNY PhD or another trading firm on the resume.

I don't think they'd ever call someone like me back, not that I'd ever be able to pass a coding round with them.

[pclmulqdq]

There are some firms that are very elitist in terms of their resume review requirements. You should note that for a place like Jane Street, "Harvard" helps, but it won't get you an interview. Someone who has done well at USAMO or IMO or has meaningful open-source contributions and goes to SUNY or a community college will generally have a better chance than a run-of-the-mill Harvard student. The median Harvard Math/CS student isn't getting an interview at Jane Street.

[foobar10000]

I don't really see a lot of elitism in these circles - there's a chunk of such engineers that did not in fact go to Exeter and Harvard - but what they have in common is they are all to a fault very bright technical people that can produce complicated things quite quickly, and can communicate effectively with people around them - to make sure that what they produce is in fact useful :)

[laidoffamazon]

I genuinely don't think people that went to Exeter and Harvard (or MIT or Stanford or Penn or other JS feeder schools) see the rest of us as human unless there's another common factor like being employed by Jane Street and having those quirky hobbies the rest of them do - and then they rationalize it away by saying that the exceptions didn't apply to top schools, or were admitted but didn't attend for "financial reasons".

People like me are "NPCs" in their parlance.

[saagarjha]

You're putting words in their mouth

[laidoffamazon]

And yet, am I wrong? This is basically how they think

[saagarjha]

Yes, you are.

[laidoffamazon]

Yeah I don’t think so. They think the rest of us are insects.

[fireburning]

ever meet any such engineers from the bottom 20% of the world population? just some food for thought :)

[FabHK]

You can levy plenty of criticism at finance. But they certainly take smart kids from wherever they can get them (for certain jobs; for others you need certain polish).

[foobar10000]

Personally know of 1 from Ghana and 1 from Nigeria - both engineers in HFT - both emigrated to the US post-college - so not that rare. Is it proportional to population? Of course not. Clearly there's going to be an english-speaking bias and an education availability bias and whatever bias du jour one wants to bake in. I don't think it is controversial to say that being born into poverty hurts - as naively as just accounting for malnutrition, for example, and going from there...

[fireburning]

idk to me bottom 20% is a household thing more so than geographic if you live in Ghana or Nigeria but grew up driving a Maybach or BMW that would't apply if you grew up homeless in the US it would

perhaps ancedotal but the bottom 20% more or less stay the same across generations no matter how welcoming an organization is or no matter if an individual is bright or has a good idea

[upbeat_general]

Seconding another commenter. I went to a state-school (maybe in the top 5 US state schools) and got an offer without any elite background.

[pclmulqdq]

I went to an "elite" school, but I worked at one HFT where the local team of 5 people had only me with a background from a similar school, and another HFT where I was one of three on my immediate team of ~12 engineers. At one point, one of my colleagues at the second firm asked me why I was there as opposed to the alternatives of (1) a company with more of a focus on the elite and cultivating power or (2) being an artist supported by my well-off parents.

[laidoffamazon]

Obviously Michigan, UCB, UDub aren’t in the same category, especially with prior trading firm experience.

[upbeat_general]

And it was none of the mentioned schools!

[boshalfoshal]

Would be surprised if it was not a union of the above schools and {GTech, UT, UCLA, UIUC}.