[Sysreq2]

I will say the more recent additions to C++ at least have solved many of my long standing issues with that C-variant. Most of it was stuff that was long overdue. Like string formatting or a thread safe println. But even some of the stuff I didn’t think I would love has been amazing. Modules. Modules bro. Game changer. I’m all in. Honestly C++ is my go to for anything that isn’t just throw away again. Python will always be king of the single use scripts.

[klysm]

The problem is that they are _additions_, C++ has such absurd sprawl. The interactions between everything in this massive sprawl is quite difficult to grasp

[silisili]

That's also a problem in C land, of course, perhaps with less total sprawl.

Yeah, it has new features, but you're stuck working on a C89 codebase, good luck!

I don't know a great answer to that. I almost feel like languages should cut and run at some point and become a new thing.

[ahartmetz]

Perhaps less? More like certainly a ton less. Regards, someone who uses C++ and doesn't even hate it.

[kelnos]

I lost interest in keeping up with C++'s advances more than a decade ago.

The problem is that I want a language where things are safe by default. Many of the newer stuff added in C++ makes things safe, perhaps even to the level of Rust's guarantees -- but that's only if you use only these new things, and never -- even by accident -- use any of the older patterns.

I'd rather just learn a language without all that baggage.