[edanm]

I've been interviewing people for fifteen years, yes.

And while it's true that many people don't understand much, I don't think this applies to many people working at frontier model or AI companies. Especially not the high level people Ezra said he talked with.

[filoleg]

Fair. I am not sure if people working at AI companies is a good measurement for this, as they have a personal stake in their claims.

Maybe I am just morally corrupt enough to entertain this idea, but people working at AI companies overexaggerating and overhyping the impact of their work sounds like an obvious move.

[edanm]

I doubt it's that. But he also talked to people outside of these ai companies. The person he interviewed on the podcast was in the Biden administration.