[Tainnor]

What nonsense is this? The friendship between Germany and France since the end of WWII is a resounding success story. There is no fundamental distrust between the two countries.

> in Europe nothing is ever forgotten.

"Not forgetting" and "harbouring a grudge" are two different things. It's precisely because we remember two devastating world wars that we're trying to foster cooperation in Europe.

[ein0p]

Things change. And they will change. If history teaches us anything, it's that there's no such thing as permanent "trust" between countries.

[fakedang]

It's more likely now for a European Federation to happen than another Franco-German war. Euroscepticism is on the backfoot now, thanks to Trump's America.

[ein0p]

It's so much "on the backfoot" that the EU has to illegally ban opposition parties and candidates from elections in member states, and withdraw voting rights from Hungary. As people get poorer, the authoritarianism will accelerate. All I'm saying is, 4 weeks ago the US was the "best friend" of the EU. That has changed. The suggestion that nothing will change between France and Germany in perpetuity contradicts all historical evidence. And the suggestion that the EU is going to be there forever smells of "the USSR will be there forever" thinking from early 1991. History is not finished. It will continue.

[Tainnor]

> that the EU has to illegally ban opposition parties and candidates from elections in member states

did you just make this up?

[ein0p]

Germany tried to ban AfD. Romania _canceled an election_ entirely, and then also banned the winning candidate.

[Tainnor]

You said "the EU". Are you aware of the difference between the EU and national governments?

> Germany tried to ban AfD

I wish we did, but we didn't.

[Tainnor]

Anything can always change. I'm talking about the status quo.