[SOLAR_FIELDS]

When you say “employee gross”, is this analogous to what we Americans colloquially refer to as “take home pay” eg the final amount you get after all taxes and the like have been removed from your pay? I know it is common in Europe to refer to salary this way but in USA it is rare, salary is usually discussed with taxes still included in the States

[Galanwe]

Super gross = the total cost of the employee paid by the company

Gross = super gross - employer contributions, usually around 20%

Net = gross - employee contributions, usually around 40%

Most employees, Europe included, talk in gross/year. It can happen that people (usually in the lower bracket) talk in net/month.

In the example above, the cost to the company is expressed in super gross, 64k. That would leave ~50k as gross, so around 30k net, or 2.5k net / month.

[SOLAR_FIELDS]

Enlightening! Sweden (and perhaps some of the other Nordics) seem to use net/month a lot more than gross/yr (anecdotal observation as an American expat). Everywhere I have chatted with Europeans all seem to talk in post tax numbers however by default.

The unfortunate consequence of this cultural difference is that it makes it harder to compare salaries between the States and Europe.

[Galanwe]

I think there are two main factors to take into account:

- If you are in a lower tax bracket, the taxes are almost the same for everyone, so talking "net" is okay. If you have a more substantial income though, there starts to be more difference in net amongst people, as it depends on how your compensation is technically paid, and how much it is. So for the same gross, people can end up with different net.

- People tend to think in terms of what is wired to their bank account. For a long time, most (western) European countries did not have "source tax", meaning you would get your gross every month, and are supposed to save up for the income tax coming end of the year. That changed a lot in recent years, and more often now the income tax is directly subtracted from your monthly wages, which may direct people to talk in net.

> The unfortunate consequence of this cultural difference is that it makes it harder to compare salaries between the States and Europe.

I get you, and that's not just because of gros/net, but also just the general cost of living that changes. I lived in a baltic country for a number of years with half the gross I had in western Europe, and felt substantially wealthier.