[dereg]

You’re only looking at one side of it. Consider how much value that excel adds, and how many use cases it enables. It’s incalculable. It’s always easy to poke at excel’s issues, but errors are almost always a skill issue.

From a financial perspective, there are many ways you could enforce checks to ensure the model is balanced - it just takes time. Data entry can be an issue, but you can automate that too. The deloitte report is saying the health department should benefit from adopting a gigantic erp system but you could get 90% of the benefit by employing a couple people that really know what they’re doing.

You could say that excel should allow those things to happen but the flexibility is precisely what makes it so valuable.

The people writing the reports are consultants. Consultants recommend things that benefit consultants. In their case, a multi year process and tens of millions of dollars trying to install ERP software is more a windfall for the vendors and not the companies.

[ericd]

Absolutely, kudos to them for following KISS, despite the legions of people who have probably told them they’re doing it wrong.

[7thaccount]

Yep. I was going to say the same thing. Installing some $10M+ software costs the company more than just the install and ongoing licensing costs. You have to have an entire new IT team to manage it and staff to understand and so on. There are probably just as many chances of having a big issue.

[threatofrain]

That assumes that Better Excel would somehow not look like Excel and would lose its benefits of being easy. My assumption is that Better Excel will still look like Excel, in the same way that Better iOS will also look like iOS.

[edude03]

> but errors are almost always a skill issue

Sure but to compare it to tech, this is why we build tooling like linters and typed languages so that we don’t lose millions of dollars because we needed the average developer to implement a feature. I imagine in heath care it’s even more skewed because a SW eng can see the compiler output and make changes but the person entering the data isn’t (for example) the nurse that’s using the needles to be accounted for

[tomatocracy]

There are indeed tools like this available for Excel. And there are also whole practices within the big accountancy firms, and independent firms which focus on providing "audit" of Excel files like this, which are used commonly where there are financial firms involved in a project with big money at stake (lenders, financial investors, etc). But in my experience these tools and services aren't often used for the spreadsheets which are used for day to day corporate-type management (I would count government as part of that).

[potato3732842]

Say nothing of many crisis were avoided because somebody was able to pull up a local excel file despite a central service being down or go through their historical files and sniff out a discrepancy. Workflows like that are often impossible or require coordinating with a vendor in another time zone or a bunch of slow cross team communication and ticket submissions with the sort of minimum effort "we'll run a DB in the cloud and slap a JS front end built with a bunch of questionable but flashy libraries and ignore all the edge cases because I'll be working somewhere else in 2yr" solutions that the median software developer hive mind will implement if left to its own devices.