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by _petronius 460 days ago
I think this is confusing two things, intentionally:

1. Free speech in the public sphere includes the right of people offended by your speech to express that they are offended (to speak back). People like Toby Young (founder of the FSU), and those who decry "cancel culture" do not like this, but it is part of what constitutes genuine free expression.

2. Free speech against the government, which the government should not be allowed to punish people for, to enable a pluralistic and democratic society. E.g. someone like Mahmoud Khalil who was recently arrested for his political views on Palestine (in violation of both the principles of free speech and his rights as a green card holder).

People angry about #1 (arguing) tend to conflate it with #2 (genuine censorship), and accuse people who accuse those approximately equal (or less) in power than them as equivalent to draconian speech-controllers. People angry about #2 are pointing out a genuine power imbalance, and the damage to democratic society.

Elon Musk embodies this perfectly: he argues in favor of free speech when people tell him his opinions are objectionable, but actively censors speech on Twitter that he doesn't like. In one situation, he simply wants people to receive his speech without speaking back, in another, he wants to stifle discussion.

Speech is not a unidirectional activity. In order for it to be valuable and protected, the act of speaking in public is the act of listening to criticisms of what you say.

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To add some nuance about the US’s 1st Amendment: it is not just speech against the government that is protected. It is that all speech is protected from the government.

The government also is not allowed to imprison you or threaten you for speech about another private party, for example.

pro-palestinian protestors were arrested under biden admin too, does it mean there's 'limited' free speech at the biden era?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/2000-people-arrested-na...

i mean, how much free it should be to be free speech, how far it can be 'limited' but still is free speech

I'm not defending for trump or elon musk, in case you want to know it

Yes absolutely. The free speech of pro-palestine protestors has been restricted since the start
You actually think there’s no difference between Department of Homeland Security’s federal agents and a local municipal (or sometimes even campus) police force arresting someone?

Arresting someone for a crime is obviously not a problem, and generally protestors commit all sorts of minor nuisance civil violations for which they get arrested, booked, and released — all of which must be done without regard to the content of the speech being exercised during the violation. Deploying federal officers to go hunt down specific individuals and then disappearing them across state lines and modifying their immigration status without due process is absolutely unequivocally in a totally different league.

Trump has specifically said he’s going after people for the content of their speech. This is illegal and is totally different from what happened under Biden.