[refulgentis]

> What causes this phenomenon where the project with significantly less resources is held to a higher standard than the other players?

Hm, my lived experience is the inverse, and both seem sort of important to talk about.

We've been hearing about Chrome implementing the same privacy protections as Safari as a transgression for years, years, and years, as it was delayed again and again.

It was ex-Mozilla people who brought to my attention that they were deeply alarmed by the privacy-concious-Do-Not-Track people making this pivot and that it was a really bad sign.

Generally, I try to avoid loaded questions phrased like "why is X considered as A while Y is considered as B?" because it suffers from high failure rates

(likelihood you're the first person to realize the truth; likelihood these things ended up sorted neatly into opposing binaries; undecidability of 'how come everyone believes the wrong thing?'; uncomfortable conversation when someone starts from 'how come everyone believes the wrong thing?' and you have to sort of lead them gently to 'is it possible you are missing something, not everyone else?' without making it obvious)

[scarface_74]

> We've been hearing about Chrome implementing the same privacy protections as Safari as a transgression for years, years, and years, as it was delayed again and again.

Well Apple didn’t turn around and try to push the Topics API..

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Topics_API

(Just to be clear. Mozilla is opposed to it too. They are just documenting it and don’t plan to implement the API)

[refulgentis]

To be clear, I don't think trying to score or rank browser manufacturers on Goodness is an achievable goal. Endless what-abouts are available, with rational arguments available to opposing opinions.

However, I must admit I am intrigued by seeing Topics posited as a stain.

I strongly believe we would have been obviously better off as consumers with topics, than the status quo, a wild west of tracking, but AFAIK, weakly, it could have entrenched incumbents further.*

Selfishly, for my individual interests, I wish Apple had proposed it.

I have a feeling it would have been more dogged in working through it, rather than Google's laissez-faire "oh well! guess we get to keep tracking" when the bottom feeders complained.**

That's probably why it seems unachievable to me to rank on Goodness, opinions abound and they're all reasonable.

* i.e. even if the topics are retrievable via JS by any page, I'd assume there's some clever way for Google to do something strictly superior from an advertiser perspective leveraging some E2E integration, ex. perhaps most pages have to wait till load to get topics, but Google can do a special preflight request given a special HEAD tag, idk

** My weak understanding is this essentially was put on pause/shit-canned after UK competition authorities relayed general concern, and I don't remember Google giving up so easily on anything ever

[scarface_74]

I’m opposed to any advertising on the web. Not because of ideology. It just makes the web worse especially on mobile.

Despite the outcry of manifest v3, if I understand it correctly it’s a standardize version of how Apple implements content blocking on the web, similar functionality works well in Safari.