[bluebarbet]

You're going well off-topic here and into inflammatory territory. This whole debate should probably best happen somewhere else.

But just one thing: while I personally share your take on the political and societal issues, I do think it's unfortunate that you lump "climate" in there, in scare quotes. The climate issue is informed by hard science. America's tendency to politicize everything will have terrible outcomes if climate gets completely caught up in the culture war. Whatever we think about the solutions, we have to find a way to agree that this particular problem is bad and needs to be addressed urgently.

Still, again, here is not the best place for this whole discussion.

[genewitch]

you say the climate is decided by hard science. You mean the models say it's decided, right?

I just want to be clear what you mean by hard science.