[int_19h]

Shareholders don't build anything. Employees do.

[grandempire]

I didn’t build my car or house, but I own them.

Working on things owned by others is the basic idea of employment - and is a relationship that has existed forever.

[Dylan16807]

And the people that built your car and house had a say in how that process went. A rather big say.

[grandempire]

Some did. Assembly line workers didn’t. Framers didn’t.

[Dylan16807]

At that point we're begging the question by going too deep into the analogy and finding the original situation again. The point has still been made that working on something without ownership can be enough to justify a say.

And the framers might have a say, it depends on the company.

[grandempire]

True, let’s simplify. The people who have a say are higher up managers who have been granted that power by the owners.

[Dylan16807]

Are we discarding the analogy then? Okay.

The owner has a bunch of space and equipment they can grant power over, but that's only half a company. They don't naturally start with power over the employees.