[apeescape]

Imagine if Russia decided it wanted Alaska, and there'd be a stalemate meat grinder conflict in that area, and your European allies, who've been your closest supporters, were like "just give Putin what he wants bro. Who even cares about a little bit of Alaska? We're tired of supporting you and just want you to make peace, and will coordinate with Russia to knock some sense in you. All this talk of you wanting to 'defeat Russia' is just silly, gl with that"

[brink]

If we want to fight it out, we'll fight it out. But we wouldn't call Europe crazy for not wanting to funnel their own money into it. Be real.

[apeescape]

It's not only about the money either. The even bigger blow is the whole 180 the US government has made, now actively aiding Russia instead of Europe. If it was just about the money, it would be a bit easier to understand (though still a big blow to the mutual understanding of what is worth defending in the world). If it was about the money, the US would happily _sell_ equipment to Ukraine and let the EU foot the bill. That doesn't seem to be the case though.

[LunaSea]

America absolutely did call France crazy when they refused to invade Iraq with America.

[brink]

And what - you're saying they should have? Like we should now? We should all just go to war all the time whenever someone calls for it?

[LunaSea]

Well by definition, when its your allies you should.

That's why France as well as the rest of NATO followed the US in Afghanistan.

[_DeadFred_]

No they are responding to your statement:

"But we wouldn't call Europe crazy"

with "um, you actually did."

[Muromec]

Shutting down intelligence was not about money

[_DeadFred_]

'Freedom fries' bro. 'Freedom fries'.

[blooalien]

Freedom Toast! ...mmhm... Yup!