[sovietmudkipz]

If that’s the case that “NATO as has existed is already over” then maybe it is wise for the USA to pull out. Maybe that’s the endgame for Europe? Europe defends Europe (or gets taken over by Russia I guess), and USA isn’t on the hook for its defense anymore.

[bad_haircut72]

Americans all have this attitude that theyre "on the hook" for everyone elses defence as if theyre the white knight defending the world against evil. Its more like the local mob tough guys who have been taking protection money for the last 40 years backed down when a rival gang finally decided to make a move

[CoastalCoder]

Please don't use sweeping generalizations like this.

The hyperbole interferes with construction discussion.

[bad_haircut72]

Are you a LLM? This is what the rest of the world feels mate!! Its a part of the discussion.

[CoastalCoder]

There are lots of sites you can visit to vent your emotions by making inflammatory, inaccurate generalizations to a receptive, cheering echo chamber.

Let's not do that here.

[bad_haircut72]

Its an accurate generalization

[CoastalCoder]

> Americans all have this attitude

...

> Its an accurate generalization

I'm American, and I don't have that view. So it's clearly not literally true.

So perhaps you mean that it's "mostly" true. Then I'd ask, what evidence do you have to support that? Is there some poll of public opinion you can refer to? That's something we could meaningfully discuss.

[jfengel]

America is pulling out. That is the only reason that NATO is ending.

[KaiserPro]

NATO is there to make sure that the dollar is the dominant trading currency.

NATO is the reason why saudis are trading in dollars.

NATO is the reason that the US has credible nuclear deterrents

NATO is why america doesn't need to have a physical colonial empire in europe (otherwise it'd need to subjugate cyprus, and somewhere like saaremaa, and that costs a shit tonne of money)

NATO isn't about playing for defence of europe, its about keeping the USSR and russia far enough away to keep trading routes open.

[JKCalhoun]

If Europe is taken over by Russia, you don't think the U.S. will be next?

[epoxy_sauce]

If Russia wants the international version of suicide by cop. Invading US soil is the next tier up from invading Russia in winter in military blunders. No one has been stupid enough to try since 1812 when the British navy ruled. And they couldn't achieve any meaningful goals.