[poetril]

Kagi has been one of the biggest value adds to my online life in a long time. Paying for the Kagi ultimate plans gets me access to the latest LLM models, and an incredible customizable search engine with a large focus on privacy. The Orion browser has been my favorite to use on iOS, I’m not sure if I’d use the desktop version because of its web kit base. But I’m glad to see it’s moving forward.

[frizlab]

Using a non-chromium browser is actually the only thing we can do nowadays to promote an open web. Also I have next to no issues using webkit on the web currently. It’s a good engine now.

[lurk2]

> Using a non-chromium browser is actually the only thing we can do nowadays to promote an open web.

Orion is closed source.

[pyrophane]

I believe the above is just referring to diversity of engines. If 99% of everyone uses Chromium then there’s no incentive to support open standards that work across all browsers.

[vvpan]

I keep being confused by this. People mention that Kagi has all these features but I never see them, do I have to up my subscription plan?

[galleywest200]

It seems that a lot of them are sort of "off" by default to keep search focused on search. If you want to get an LLM summary of a search, for example, end the search with a question mark. Example: "what is gravity?" instead of "what is gravity".

The summarizer lives at a different page, here: https://kagi.com/summarizer/

[i_love_retros]

Can also click the quick answer link on existing search results page.

And each search result item had a menu that includes an option to summarize the page.

[radicality]

I use that super often, probably in vast majority of searches. It's basically an llm synthesized version of the results. You can also get it by the shortcut `q` on the results page, or by ending your query with a `?`

[vvpan]

Oh I see. I knew "lenses" existed but as you say it's a multi-step process to use them and not from the browser search bar.

[iimblack]

Lenses can be setup with bang notation. So a research lens could use !r your-query-here

[i_love_retros]

You need the ultimate plan to get the assistant which gives access to lots of llms