[anonfordays]

Tesla does not sell vehicles at their "dealerships." Tesla is 100% online orders, you are not able to place an order at their showrooms with the staff. The showrooms double as delivery centers for entire regions. 30 cars per hour across a 100 mile radius as the EV subsidy is expiring is not impossible. Tesla does not collect the subsidies, the owners do.

This is only "suspicious" because it's fake news.

[somerandomqaguy]

The iZEV rebate is paid to the the point of sale who in turn is supposed to knock that price down for the owner. So it is a 'dealer' in that Tesla itself is the dealership.

So yes it is suspicious. Especially considering that the Model Y starts much more expensive then it's competitors like the Mach E, the Ioniq 5, the EV6, the Equinox/Blazer, and Prologue. The only main advantage Tesla has is the Supercharger network and better software experience.

Whether anything comes of it or not is an entirely different matter because there are ways of doing this that do not violate the letter of the law.

[anonfordays]

>The iZEV rebate is paid to the the point of sale who in turn is supposed to knock that price down for the owner. So it is a 'dealer' in that Tesla itself is the dealership.

No, the rebate is paid at point of sale to the purchaser of said vehicle, not to the dealership, and not to Tesla.

>So yes it is suspicious.

So it is not suspicious.

>Especially considering that the Model Y starts much more expensive then it's competitors like the Mach E, the Ioniq 5, the EV6, the Equinox/Blazer, and Prologue.

It's not that much more in price, and it's a much better vehicle than anything Ford or Chevrolet makes.

>Whether anything comes of it or not is an entirely different matter because there are ways of doing this that do not violate the letter of the law.

Nothing will come up because nothing happened. Consumers went on a buying spree because the rebate was quickly coming to a close.

[somerandomqaguy]

>No, the rebate is paid at point of sale to the purchaser of said vehicle, not to the dealership, and not to Tesla.

https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transportation/innovative-techn...

========================================= To get reimbursed:

Log into the ZEV application, select the selling dealership, and go to the “I want to view all iZEV requests submitted for this dealership/authorized seller.” Then search the Service Request ID # of the Eligibility Assessed request and upload the sales/lease agreement and the Incentive Received Form. Make sure that all documents are complete and include all signatures and information required.

[...]

iZEV Online Application: request status

[...]

Rebate Sent

The dealership has been sent a payment, and you'll be notified by email. This email will include the payment amount, the service request ID and the Vehicle Identification Number. Some banks may take up to 5 business days to deposit the funds into your account.

========================================

Straight from the horses mouth; the dealership is reimbursed. The buyer pays a lower out of pocket price. It makes no sense to have the reimbursement go to the owners directly as part of the point of sale. Transport Canada would need have to have electronic payment systems setup for every EV buyer along with all the privacy and financial handling headaches that such a government system entails.

>It's not that much more in price, and it's a much better vehicle than anything Ford or Chevrolet makes.

The Mach E starts at $58,000. The Ioniq 5 at $55,000. The EV6 at $56,000, the Aryia at $52,000, and the ID4 at $44,000.

The Model Y start at $65,000. It's a significant chunk of change even for middle class Canadians.

>Nothing will come up because nothing happened. Consumers went on a buying spree because the rebate was quickly coming to a close.

Maybe, maybe not. There's also ways that I could see this legitimately happening. But at the end of the day it's still highly unusual behaviour that bears further scrutiny. Also known as the being suspicious.

[anonfordays]

>Straight from the horses mouth; the dealership is reimbursed.

It is paid to the buyer, but collected by the dealership. Buyers are those who qualify to receive it. Straight from the horse's mouth:

"There is a limit to how many incentives Canadians and Canadian organizations can receive for the purchase or lease of eligible vehicles under the iZEV Program, in a calendar year: Individuals are eligible for one incentive"

"Individuals are eligible", not dealerships. Dealerships collect the reimbursement, but the individuals must qualify. If you qualify and he dealer didn't discount the car, they owe you the rebate:

"If you didn't receive the incentive on an eligible ZEV purchased or leased on or after the date listed on the eligibility vehicle list, please contact the dealership to verify if they are enrolled in the Program. If they are enrolled, they may reimburse you the maximum eligible incentive amount (this is usually reimbursed by cheque)."

https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transportation/innovative-techn...

[warningforever]

I'm impressed you came back to this old thread!

No matter how hard you try to rationalize it, 1,200 sales in one day at a single dealer just as the dealers become aware that the program is about to run through its' funds is suspicious.

Doubly so with a company whose lawyers argue in court you can't believe what their CEO says, that holds onto deposits for 7 years for a "coming-soon-car", and whose cars never surprises to the upside on mileage.

[anonfordays]

>I'm impressed you came back to this old thread!

Had to stamp out the fake news with reality.

>No matter how hard you try to rationalize it, 1,200 sales in one day at a single dealer just as the dealers become aware that the program is about to run through its' funds is suspicious.

Facts and reality don't require rationalization. It's only suspicious if you get your news from reddit. Dealers don't qualify for the rebate, buyers do. The Canadian government announced to everyone the program was ending. It hit the news.

>Doubly so with a company whose lawyers argue in court you can't believe what their CEO says

Did you get this fake news from reddit perhaps?

>that holds onto deposits for 7 years for a "coming-soon-car

Customers can get they deposits back at any time they please.

>whose cars never surprises to the upside on mileage.

LLM hallucination?

[somerandomqaguy]

>"Individuals are eligible", not dealerships. Dealerships collect the reimbursement, but the individuals must qualify. If you qualify and he dealer didn't discount the car, they owe you the rebate:

A difference without distinction. From the financial point of view, the cheque goes from the Government of Canada to the dealership. Whether the dealership then cuts another cheque or simply discounts the vehicle $5000 is irrelevant because in either case the money has to enter the dealership's coffers.

Now AFAIK adding in the rebate directly as a discount into the bill of sale is the modus operandi of Tesla and other dealerships in Canada that were participating in the iZEV. And that's why I don't think it's impossible that this is legitimate.

If Tesla sold inventory for the previous years and applied the discounts on the bills of sale, but then didn't get around to filing the paperwork until now near the end of the rebate... well that would explain why the sudden rush to get the paperwork done when the pause was announced. Other dealerships were doing something similar and are now out of pocket for their procrastination.

Now it's a little odd to me why a company as tech savvy as Tesla wouldn't have automated the filling of the forms. But I could see that just being due to to mismanagement and potentially also why the store managers refused to comment to CTVNews when they came asking about it.

The idea that people were rushing out to Tesla's website to buy isn't impossible either but Tesla's never been shy about bragging about good sales performance. The fact that the storage lots near the Toronto or Montreal are also quite full doesn't exactly help sell that story either.

Now it's also possible that this is borderline fraud. It's only $330 to establish a numbered company in Ontario, so hypothetically if someone had $3 million or so to create 8600 numbered companies, those holding companies could in 'buy' a Tesla that qualifies under the iZEV for a $5000 reimbursement. Technically that is not illegal on it's own, and money doesn't have to flow anywhere. And actual buyers would still be buying a new car.

It's also possible that it's just outright fraud and Tesla just submitted forms for sales that never happened. There's nothing on the Transport Canada forms that require only a name of the purchaser and then a make, model, and year of the vehicle, so it'd be trivial to just put falsified information into the forms.

Whatever the reality is, it's still suspicious, and bears further scrutiny. Especially given how politically delicate government funds flowing to Tesla is right now.

[anonfordays]

>A difference without distinction. From the financial point of view, the cheque goes from the Government of Canada to the dealership. Whether the dealership then cuts another cheque or simply discounts the vehicle $5000 is irrelevant because in either case the money has to enter the dealership's coffers.

It's a huge difference. Dealerships cannot just make a claim and collect the money. It's not theirs, even though they collect it.

[Terr_]

Dude, "LOL online orders exist" is not the slam-dunk you think it is here.

First, that single weekend's 8.6k sales (if the timestamps are to be believed) are than Tesla's Canada sales for the entire prior month (Dec 2024) as well as exceeding the total for any month in 2024.

Second, even a mob of frenzied Canadians car-buyers would probably fall more-evenly across different sellers, and across more days of the month, rather than being so unusually-concentrated.

Finally, remember that the incentive program was already slated to end within another month or two, not a year later or whatever. This places limits on how big we can expect the crowd of procrastinating car-buyers to be, especially since for most people cars are not impulse-buys.

[anonfordays]

>Dude, "LOL online orders exist" is not the slam-dunk you think it is here.

Dude, "LOL online orders exist" is absolutely the slam-dunk I think it is here.

>First, that single weekend's 8.6k sales (if the timestamps are to be believed) are than Tesla's Canada sales for the entire prior month (Dec 2024) as well as exceeding the total for any month in 2024.

Yes, happens when the government announces they're going to take $5,000 away in a few days.

>Second, even a mob of frenzied Canadians car-buyers would probably fall more-evenly across different sellers, and across more days of the month, rather than being so unusually-concentrated.

Wrong:

Tesla clearly outpased the competition, Model Y selling double what the second place competition was.

https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-model-y-leads-canadas...

Tesla was selling double of what the competition was in the same rebate program less than a year ago.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-dominates-canada-izev-rebate...

The frenzy was due to the government ending the rebate program.

>Finally, remember that the incentive program was already slated to end within another month or two, not a year later or whatever.

You missed it, they made another announcement that it was ending within days. That caused a frenzy.

>This places limits on how big we can expect the crowd of procrastinating car-buyers to be, especially since for most people cars are not impulse-buys.

Once the end of the program was announced, the buying commenced.