[gitaarik]

And in the end, it's correct that this information is meant for the biological woman, and not the biological man. So it would just become confusing if you say it also applies to men. Because biological men don't have a vagina.

If you are a woman that identifies as a man, then you will know that you are biologically a woman, and that the medical advice for woman applies to you.

[crowselect]

Well. We’ve come full circle. If you want to go back to the comment where i said “When trying to communicate information to people, it’s best to meet them where they’re at.” And then you can have the conversation as many time as you like.

Fundamentally, what is happening is not removing inclusive language. It’s removing useful documents because they contain words that are not allowed to be spoken anymore. Setting aside your feelings about binary gender - imagine this was about some cultural group: goths or birders or whatever. Would it not be concerning that the gov was trying to eliminate any acknowledgement that birders exist?

A page with advice for lgbtq travelers had “LGBTQ” changed to “LGB”. That’s not removing references to gender that had been forced in to be inclusive. That’s trying to erase actual people from the official record. Not wanting them to exist. If that doesn’t alarm you, idk what would.

[gitaarik]

Well I think that it's a bit of waste of time and money to spend so much to adjust articles to please some people that, in my opinion, are complaining about unimportant things.

I don't see how it's a big problem in our society that medical texts aren't explicitly acknowledging the existense of "other genders" when it's not even relevant.

Why don't we focus ourselves on real world problems?

I'm not necessarily supporting that they're changing stuff back now, but I'm also not necessarily supporting the changes in the first place. I think it's a silly fight between idealists in opposite camps. And to be honest, I think the idealists in the opposite camp had too much of a run, and it went way too far, and now the other side is trying to win back some ground, and of course they also exaggerate and go too far. But maybe we will eventually end up in in the balanced middle. So in that sense I'm not too worried about these changes. Also because I don't think it's a very important issue anyway compared to the many issues going on in the world. I think LGBT people are living in the best time ever. I think there is more acceptance, recognition and tolerance for that, more than ever before. So I don't understand why some people are pushing this forward so much as if it is a major issue. If you let the current trend continue, it will get better by itself. Now that they are pushing for it so much it actually works contraproductive, as you can see. Many people now are fed up with all these changes where we need to make a special arrangement for these people. But that is actually the opposite of equality. So I can understand that many people are getting fed up with it and want to get rid of it.

So I don't see a threat here. I don't think that there are many people that actively wants to erradicate the LBGT movement, of course there are always extremists, but it's not the majority. People just want that we can live our lives without having to take someones preferred pronoun into account all the time. We want to do our work, we don't want to be a personal therapist for every LBTQ person.

The fact only that this abbreviation is being updated all the time because some new group feels excluded itself shows how pathetic this whole thing is. Why can't we just say that we are all human, and be done with it? Why would I care if some document from the government names me by my biological gender? That doesn't define who you are.

You know you can make a problem out of anything if you want. I could be upset because my preffered color is green and I want the letters to be in green font. And I can start a whole religion based on that and get many people all worked up about the fact that they're receiving letters where their preferred color is ignored. It doesn't sound that weird actually, now in these times. 20 years ago it would have been a joke.