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Yes, I agree. Signal is inherently contrary to the statism en vogue in most European nations at this time, and why they have repeatedly affirmed that they would leave the EU rather than allow user surveillance should Chat Control 2.0 or 3.0 be passed (rather Orwellianly officially named the "Regulation to Prevent and Combat Child Sexual Abuse (Child Sexual Abuse Regulation)".

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That was a proposal that did not happen

Should we dig up USa stupid proposals? Or dig up actual laws like the USA laws for snooping on people that were revealed by Snowden?

A bit offtopic , is it a lw or rule that you are not allowed to call Trump a felon ? And is that constitutional?

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> That was a proposal that did not happen

I'm well aware, as I was involved in the effort to block it (on four separate occasions now, and undoubtedly will again).

> Should we dig up USa stupid proposals? Or dig up actual laws like the USA laws for snooping on people that were revealed by Snowden?

The topic of this thread is European values and whether Signal embodies them or not. It's hopefully obvious to anyone interested that the prioritisation of individual freedoms that Signal embodies is not reflective of current European values, given the ever increasing levels of State surveillance across the continent.

That these are also not US values, even though their populace and politicians endlessly claim they are, is not relevant to this discussion.

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> The topic was about European values<

extreme free speech with ZERO consequences is not such a value

my initial comment was clear, but some USAians will try to add that free speech is more important then any of our values, we can disagree on that and I will keep my opinion that kissing up to fascists is a good value to have, having them in leadership role is a disaster but USA will learn it the hard way.