[bigyabai]

Is there any particular reason you ignored Apple's admission of extralegal surveillance that they were demanded to hide by the US government?

If you want to turn this into a relativist pissing contest, be my guest. I think it's a moot point, since the United States is complicit in an even more heinous form of surveillance. Don't moralize to me when America refuses to lead by example, this is the precedent that we set.

[easytiger]

I've no idea who we is.

For a start the vector is very different. And I don't doubt there are unknown other attacks. But I'm discussing attacks we know about because they put them in policy papers and legislation.

Absurd discussion