[JumpCrisscross]

> What's the next move?

Let the Ukrainians decide. The war could have been over if Biden and Musk hadn’t meddled in Kyiv’s strategy.

There is no peace with a Moscow that believes it can gain resources and mollify its population with wars of expansion. Pausing in Ukraine just allows for build-up for another wave. Maybe in Ukraine. Maybe elsewhere.

[jimbob45]

The war could have been over if Biden and Musk hadn’t meddled in Kyiv’s strategy.

This is the exact line of thinking that Hitler used to justify WW2. Surely we can all see this logic for the farce that it is. Ukraine never had a shot at winning this war and it’s only with massive international support that they’re able to maintain the fragile stalemate they now find themselves in.

[Vilian]

They never had a shot so they used black magic to drive russia out of Kyiv in the first days of the wars?

[JumpCrisscross]

> is the exact line of thinking that Hitler used to justify WW2

Hitler argued that he lost WWII because external powers were limiting the Nazis through diplomatic channels?! (Also, since when do we care about how Hitler justified things?)

> Ukraine never had a shot at winning this war

A significant amount of Russia’s naval and air assets were vulnerable to Ukrainian drone and missile fire in ‘22.

> it’s only with massive international support

You mean like the American Revolution, WWI for the Allies, WWII for the Allies and the Cold War for Europe?

[watwut]

> This is the exact line of thinking that Hitler used to justify WW2.

Hitlers literal claim was that Germany needs a living space, that Germans do not fit into German. Plus he claimed that the world is a war of races. Like, these were his literal justications.

[Tainnor]

Well yes. But he also claimed that Poland had attacked first.

[watwut]

The equivalent there would be Russian claims about Ukraine attacking them right before invasion. As of now, the Russian invasion itself is provably existing.

It is about zero paralel with "The war could have been over if Biden and Musk hadn’t meddled in Kyiv’s strategy."

[Tainnor]

Oh for sure, I agree, OP's take was nonsensical.

[rafaelmn]

> Let the Ukrainians decide.

With money and military/economic tensions for EU and US ? EU might have some interest in stabilizing the border and preventing future threats, but US literally has no interest there. And the only EU member that possibly had to worry about Russia is Finland, but they are in NATO now.

[jajko]

What motivation? russia is US sworn enemy, always was and always will be. Only fools don't take chance to make your enemy weaker, especially when its causing it to itself by their own stupidity and greed. US waged wars for less, far less.

[rafaelmn]

I think from Trumps POV Russia is not that relevant and China is the rival. US has spats with Russia when they play globalist games, but Trump does not seem to be that interested in playing and Chinese are way stronger than Russia recently since they are growing their presence in Africa and SA.

[m4rtink]

Good thing US integritiy has no value anymore and US word is apparently worthless nowadays - otherwise I guess honoring the Budapest memorandum would make sense:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

You know, that one thing that certainly prevented a lot of nuclear proliferation so far.

[Aloisius]

What part of that has the US not honored?

Did we (1) fail to respect their borders? (2) Threaten to use force, invade them or use those nukes against them? (3) Wage an economic war against them? (4) Fail to seek UN Security Council action in response to Ukraine being nuked? (5) Nuke them? (6) Refuse to talk to them about the agreement?

Because that's basically the entire agreement.