[matt-p]

Not really like for like.

The pricing isn't as insane as you'd think, 96 to 256GB is 1500 which isn't 'cheap' but, it could be worse.

All in 5,500 gets you a ultra with 256GB memory, 28 cores, 60 GPU cores, 10Gb network - I think you'd be hard pushed to build a server for less.

[kllrnohj]

5,500 easily gets me either vastly more CPU cores if I care more about that or a vastly faster GPU if I care more about that. Or for both a 9950x + 5090 (assuming you can actually find one in stock) is ~$3000 for the pair + motherboard, leaving a solid $2500 for whatever amount of RAM, storage, and networking you desire.

The M3 strikes a very particular middle ground for AI of lots of RAM but a significantly slower GPU which nothing else matches, but that also isn't inherently the right balance either. And for any other workloads, it's quite expensive.

[seanmcdirmid]

You'll need a couple of 32GB 5090s to run a quantized 70B model, maybe 4 to run a 70b model without quantization, forget about anything larger than that. A huge model might run slow on a M3 Ultra, but at least you can run it all.

I have a Max M3 (the non-binned one), and I feel like 64GB or 96GB is within the realm of enabling LLMs that run reasonable fast on it (it is also a laptop, so I can do things on planes or trips). I thought about the Ultra, if you have 128GB for a top line M3 Ultra, the models that you could fit into memory would run fairly fast. For 512GB, you could run the bigger models, but not very quickly, so maybe not much point (at least for my use cases).

[matt-p]

That config would also use about 10x the power, and you still wouldn't be able to run a model over 32GB whereas the studio can easily cope with 70B llama and plenty of space to grow.

I think it actually is perfect for local inference in a way that build or any other pc build in this price range would be.

[kllrnohj]

The M3 Ultra studio also wouldn't be able to run path traced Cyberpunk at all no matter how much RAM it has. Workloads other than local inference LLMs exist, you know :) After all, if the only thing this was built to do was run LLMs then they wouldn't have bothered adding so many CPU cores or video engines. CPU cores (along with networking) being 2 of the specs highlighted by the person I was responding to, so they were obviously valuing more than just LLM use cases.

[dagmx]

Bad game example because cyberpunk with raytracing is coming to macOS and will run on this.

[kridsdale1]

The core customer market for this thing remains Video Editors. That’s why they talk about simultaneous 8K encoding streams.

Apple’s Pro segment has been video editors since the 90s.

[hot_gril]

Well that's what (s)he meant, the Mac Studio fits the AI use case but not other ones so much.

[jltsiren]

Consumer hardware is cheap, if 192 GB of RAM is enough for you. But if you want to go beyond that, the Mac Studio is very competitively priced. A minimal Threadripper workstation with 256 GB is ~$7400 from Puget Systems. If you increase the memory to 512 GB, the price goes up to ~$10900. Mostly because 128 GB modules are about as expensive as what Apple charges for RAM. A Threadripper Pro workstation can use cheaper 8x64 GB for the same capacity, but because the base system is more expensive, you'll end up paying ~$11600.

[TylerE]

The Mac almost fits in the palm of your hand, and runs, if not silently, practically so. It doesn't draw excessive power or generate noticeable heat.

None of those will be true for any PC/Nvidia build.

It's hard to put a price on quality of life.