[Keyframe]

I'm in another, bizarre camp. I'd pay double whatever they're charging for if I could run linux on it utilizing all of the hardware. Also, if notch went away, but that's another story. Unless someone knows of laptop hardware that comes close to both performance, comfort, and battery which can run linux.

[petesergeant]

Oddly enough I'd probably accept a much cheaper, shittier laptop if it ran OS X, but, I've been all-in on Apple hardware since 2006, so maybe I don't understand how bad the non-Apple laptops really are. Conceptually I'd be fine with Linux on the desktop -- hell I used to use OpenBSD as a daily driver -- but OS X is in my veins now.

[carlosjobim]

Hackintosh

[vvillena]

You can make the notch go away with third-party apps. On the Pro laptops the screen has miniLED backlighting, so the dark area stays purely black. Removing the notch this way leaves you with a 16:10 screen, so you still have more screen real state than in most other laptops.

[Kerrick]

Yep, it's not a notch cut into your available space. It's "wings" of extra pixels taking up what would otherwise be unused space.

[russelg]

This point is normally conveniently ignored by notch detractors.

[mrheosuper]

no, it cuts into your available space, because every other premium laptop makes use of that space

[_2d30]

Where do they put the camera?

[achandlerwhite]

don't even need third party apps -- just pick a 16:10 resolution and the menu bar will shift down.

[usefulcat]

The notch has gone away, at least as of Sonoma on a 15" M3 Air, but at the cost of some real estate at the top of the screen. Basically they just don't draw anything at or above the lower edge of the notch, so it looks like the screen ends there even when it doesn't.

I actually wanted to get the notch back so I could have as much vertical screen real estate as possible and was disappointed to find that there doesn't appear to be any reliable way of doing this.

[rafram]

It sounds like you've changed your screen resolution to a 16:10 aspect ratio: https://www.reddit.com/r/mac/comments/17j5zo5/i_think_ive_fo...

The notch is definitely still there by default.

[usefulcat]

No, from the time I bought it last year I never changed the resolution until I noticed the notch was gone and was trying to get it back, but to no avail. I also don't have anything unusual installed, definitely nothing display-related. It's pretty much as I received it from Apple, modulo whatever updates have been released since then.

Currently it's set to 1710 x 1107, which is labeled "Default", and no notch. When I look closely at the right angle I can clearly see the notch dipping into the screen, but the OS does not use any of the area to either side of the notch--it's completely dark there.

Just now I ticked "Show all resolutions" and tried at least a dozen other available resolutions and none of them use the screen above the notch bottom. Sonoma 14.6.1, 15" M3 Air.

[rafram]

OK, I have no idea what setting you could have set, but this is not stock behavior on any MacBook with a notch.

[culopatin]

That’s not normal. Are you sure you don’t have an app that’s doing that or toggled a setting in so,etching like Onyx and forgot?

[usefulcat]

Quite sure. SyncThing and mosh are the two most unusual apps that are installed. And I've spent a fair amount of time researching to find out what setting could cause this. The only thing I've found that could supposedly affect the notch is the display resolution, and changing that makes no difference for the notch.

One thing that did occur to me though is that it was a 'refurbished' MacBook. Bought it from Apple, and it looked brand new, but it does seem possible that someone could have done who-knows-what to it before I got it. Or perhaps there is some defect in the display near the top and Apple did this intentionally to conceal it.

[adastra22]

I have exactly that setup, and I see a notch. Are we talking about something different?

[chippiewill]

You really don't notice the notch on the macbooks, I can't even see it normally. Might be different on a Linux DE though.

[fenced_load]

xps 13? Comes with linux and has comparable battery to m3 (at least on windows).

This review says it beats M3 by 2 hours: https://www.tomshardware.com/laptops/dell-xps-13-9350-review

[sfcl33t]

I used Asahi on my company's M2 MacBook pro and it was incredibly nice. Had to return the laptop to them and Asahi is not supported on m3+...

[Tteriffic]

The notch was a big reason I was reluctant to upgrade from my M1 Air. But I hardly notice it. Only when it splits the menu bar items.