[Pigalowda]

You really want me to acknowledge that $2T so I will. The Republican Party started 2 wars and spent trillions of dollars. The democrats spent billions in dollars in military aid. Neither party achieved their objectives, both parties had their positions reversed after they were electorally defeated. Hundreds of thousands of people have died because of these mistakes.

And now you think the US should default on the debt so money is worth money again? Is that not tautological?

And the argument is that war should be expensive? If the US can default on this old debt and create dollar 3.0 what would stop it from defaulting on this new “real” money in the future? New money, new wars, new debts, new defaults.

[somenameforme]

I don't expect the US will default on our debt. Rather I expect we will continue to print money endlessly. But what I am arguing is that the world becoming multipolar will mean that the result of that will be more in line with other countries who might try such things - which means you mostly just end up pumping up inflation.

What this means is that the US will need to gradually cut down on spending, and eventually work on also bringing down our debt, or at least our debt:gdp. As will other countries who have gone a bit too far down the funny money hole. Well that, or just enter into stagflation. And should this prediction hold true, then war is going to become much more difficult to wage in the future.

[Pigalowda]

It’s easy to talk about stagflation and have this little academic discussion. However when this political motivated recession drops your party’s popularity drastically - which will happen - what will you do? How will you keep the ball moving? Do you think it be done before mid term elections? Or are elections irrelevant now?

[somenameforme]

This isn't about any given party or their actions. It's about a changing world order as well as the emergence of larger economies. In the future money printing will increasingly be met with little more than inflation. To some degree we're already seeing this. The COVID inflation is still nowhere near gone, let alone the dramatic increase it had on CPI.

[Pigalowda]

So you think this greater good is going to happen in less than 2 years?

Inducing a recession to change the world order back to mercantilism isn’t going to be popular in practice. Drunks in a pub might think it sounds great over their back of the napkin math - but that’s just talk. When the rubber meets the road and the Republican party fails here, which it will, what happens? They either have a perfectly executed plan and everything is miraculously wonderful or they lose the midterms and that’s it. So either the plan is to suppress or prevent elections or just transfer wealth and lose while the world order gets overturned.

[somenameforme]

I don't really know what you're talking about here. Perhaps I did a poor job of explaining myself. To be clear, I think this has absolutely zero [directly] to do with any specific US party. Our special economic position in the world was simply the result of a perfect storm of a variety of different factors all working in unison. It was never sustainable so it wasn't a question of if it would end, but when. Of course it's not binary, but a gradual decline, and I think we've already entered well into that decline.

But this is a good thing for everybody, including the US. Because so long as the world doesn't just blindly replace the USD with the Yuan (which seems to have an approximately 0% chance of happening), then this new scenario will apply to every single country. I think a more level playing field, with some positive competition, will bring out the best in everybody.

[Pigalowda]

What I’m saying is - permanently changing the world order and inducing a recession is not going to be politically popular in the US over 4 years. Republicans will lose the mid terms and the presidential election. Their plan will be blocked because it’s going to take a long time to unwind the current order. How will they protect their incomplete plan and maintain it over the long term? If they are not successful over the short term then over the long term it will unravel. So what’s the plan?

Elon will be uplifted into the next level of the simulation? Is that the plan?

[_t9ow]

> I don't expect the US will default on our debt

This is tangential to your discussion, but it seems like Trump might be setting the stage for defaulting on US debt:

Forget Trump’s tariffs, the president’s bond market threat is worse (2025): https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/feb/16/forget-trum...

Excerpt:

“We’re even looking at Treasuries,” the president told reporters. “There could be a problem … It could be that a lot of those things don’t count. In other words, that some of that stuff that we’re finding is very fraudulent, therefore maybe we have less debt than we thought.”

The fact that Trump is now talking about "very fradulent" activity in the treasuries increases the probability I assign to the event that his administration will default on US debt. He will justify it by claiming that many/most of these debts are not real, and the government therefore does not need to repay them.

When Trump says something like that, take him seriously.

[somenameforme]

The legacy media is not a reliable source for his comments as they tend to take tidbits and intentionally take them out of context to mean something other than clearly intended, often to the point of absurdity. I couldn't find a transcript for that presser and would really like to know what the context was, and also what was said in those ellipses.

The timeline there corresponds 100% to probable fraud DOGE discovered at the Treasury and I'm fairly certain that's what's being referenced. They found something like $100 billion/year in entitlements being paid to accounts lacking a social security number or even temporary ID numbers.

EDIT: Ok yeah LLMs are actually good for some things. I found the 'transcript' (actually a video) here. [1] And yeah it's exactly what I thought. The media is lying as usual:

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Reporter: On spending you found some maybe questionable expenditures or Elon Musk?

Trump: Not some questionable, the whole country looks like it's a fraud. It's fraud waste abuse but it's a tremendous fraud. And what Elon and his group of geniuses have found is unbelievable. It's unbelievable. And that's just in USAID. Soon we're going into education. You'll find the same thing but bigger. Soon we're going into the military and you're going to find a lot of bad things happening there.

Trump: You'll find it because our government has not functioned properly for many many years and we're going to make it function properly. We're even looking at treasuries there could be a problem. You've been reading about that with treasuries. And that could be an interesting problem because it could be that a lot of those things don't count. In other words that some of that stuff that we're finding is very fraudulent. Therefore, maybe we have less debt than we thought of.

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The thing the media ellipsed out is specifically him mentioning "you've been reading about", completely removed that the comment was in reference to DOGE, as well as that it was in the context of a laundry list of fraud discoveries. The context makes it clear that he was referencing the already publicized fraud DOGE found at the Treasury, which he then mistakenly called treasuries rather than treasury payments.

Note the reporter could have asked for clarification because his comment wouldn't make any sense when taken at face value (there was nothing written about fraudulent treasuries that people had been reading about, nor had DOGE investigated such), and this would have been a HUGE revelation if true. But she didn't want clarification, because she obviously knew what he was talking about, but wanted to lie with some plausible deniability.

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pShlwrxzXtQ (around the 20min mark)

[_t9ow]

Thank you for taking the time to verify this. Much appreciated.