[itkovian_]

It's an extraordinary claim. I think the reason I dismiss it as unlikely as when I look back at the steel dossier and muler investigation 1) if there was something, it's very likely they would have found it then 2) in hindsight both investigations were completely discredited and shown to be largely a institutional response to the shock which was 2016. This current re-emergence of 'trump is a Russian agent' is kinda surprising in that context. 3) I think the current behavior can be explained by a desire to end the conflict, while feeling no particular allegiance to Ukraine.

[affinepplan]

> in hindsight both investigations were completely discredited

.... discredited by whom, might I ask? possibly discredited by those it investigated?

[itkovian_]

I mean theres lots one could say here. Probably the most straightforward is igor danshenko, who was the primary source for the steel dossier, stating that he never intended for the claims to be taken seriously.

[hn_acker]

You're conflating the Steele Dossier and the Mueller investigation [1].

> However, the House Intelligence Committee, then controlled by Republicans, released in 2017 a report that stated that the Russia investigation had not started from information in the Steele dossier, but from information that the FBI received on George Papadopoulos.

Do not draw a false equivalence between a private investigation self-admitted by Steele to be an unverified "starting point for further investigation" [2] and an official completed US investigation created by Republican Rod Rosenstein, led by Republican Robert Mueller. Republican William Barr, after preemptively declining to charge obstruction of justice, declining to release the executive summaries of the Mueller investigation to Congress, and omitting multiple details about whether Trump's actions were knowing vs. unknowing, still affirmed ten instances of potential obstruction [1][3].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier

[3] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/18/mueller-report-recounts-10-e...

[grayhatter]

so you're saying...

it was just a prank, bro!

[ThePowerOfFuet]

Answer the three questions posted in the comment to which you replied.

[myvoiceismypass]

What was discredited in the Mueller investigation? Besides Bill Barr lying and saying "nothing to see here!" or Trump yelling that he was exonerated?