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by acatton 475 days ago
There are multiple cases in Germany (where I live). I cannot find them all, but "Pimmelgate" is a famous one where one guy on twitter (that's what it was called at the time) told a local politician "Du bist ein Pimmel" (in English: "You're a dick") and the next day the police showed up at his apartment and searched it.

The issue is the harassment. Most of these cases are baseless and get dropped once presented to the public prosecutor. But it puts unwarranted stress on people who just opened their mouth, regardless if I disagree with what they had said.

If these cases were moved forward, they could end up in front of the European Court of Human Rights, where Germany and Austria are among the worst offenders[1] when it comes to the article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights[2], which grantees free speech in the EU.

Usually these individual cases are used by neo-conservatives to criticize Europe and describe it as (their words) "a socialist hellhole."

While this argument (= "there is no free speech in Europe") might be based on some truth, and while I agree that the free speech situation in most of Europe could be improved, I think it is grossly exaggerated.

[1] https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/#{%22languageisocode%22:[%22ENG%2...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_R...

1 comments

My question was specifically about being jailed for expressing their opinion? Is this something that happens all the time in Germany (from what you wrote I would say no. It's a hassle but at most you get a fine that you can appeal, right?). Americans seem to think that people post a meme and end up in an american style max-security federal prison or something, while actually the offender gets a minor slap on the wrist.
If that, as @acatton says. It is certainly not happening all the time. There are laws around libel and slander, which are more aimed at civility than anything else, but its rare that they make it to actual court. In Britain at least there is a long held tradition, and some rightly infamous accompanying libel cases, where 1 farthing/penny/pound damages (inflation has had some effect I guess) were awarded in an ok, you win but the moral case was with the defendant signal. One of the more recent:

https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/law/judge-right-to-award-lying-...

It doesn't happen, unless your opinion is something very specific like holocaust denial and you double down on it multiple times. People do not get jailed for posting memes.
here you go, guy got jail time for a crude joke in the UK

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-43478925

This is exactly why I asked for credible sources. This man never got any jail time (even a cursory search of the article you linked shows that), if anything this stunt made his youtube career take off.

"Meechan was sentenced to a fine of £800, with no prison sentence." i mean his video probably made more money than that...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/count-dankula-na...