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by LPisGood 476 days ago
> US has spent over $100B, in return for what? How has the average American benefited?

In international relations, power is relative (see: the security dilemma). A weaker adversary means a more powerful USA. USA Spends much more than that every year on its military. I claim the ROI is much better here.

> Are you okay with sacrificing hundred of thousands of Ukrainian lives to damage your enemies? Is that acceptable?

We’re not sacrificing any lives. Russia is stealing them by illegally continuing their a war of annexation. If Mexico invaded Texas, should USA “sacrifice” no lives to take it back?

Should Europe offer no aid because “the war really should end”.

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and why does Russia have to be USA's adversary with constant proxy wars against each other?

> We’re not sacrificing any lives. Russia is stealing them by illegally continuing their a war of annexation. If Mexico invaded Texas, should USA “sacrifice” no lives to take it back?

Mexico is considerably weaker. Here's a more accurate analogy; if USA decided to annex Canada, should Canada throw millions of lives in trying to take it back? against a significantly stronger opponent?

> Should Europe offer no aid because “the war really should end”.

The aid should only be until a deal can be made, like one with Trump. It should not be given to prolong the war indefinitely. I do not want to suffer economically so that Ukraine can kidnap men to send and die to keep some eastern territory.

> and why does Russia have to be USA's adversary with constant proxy wars against each other?

I can’t figure out if you’re being serious. They are the adversary of USA because they directly seek to oppose USA and the rules based world order it leads. Russia is the adversary of USA because wars of conquest in Europe are diametrically opposed to the interests of the United States.

> if USA decided to annex Canada, should Canada throw millions of lives in trying to take it back?

It’s up to the invaded country to decide how long. I know that if China invaded Florida, I would be very comfortable with UK sending USA weapons for as long as USA wants to try to fight the foreign invaders.

> I do not want to suffer economically so that Ukraine can kidnap men to send and die to keep some eastern territory.

Are you being serious? I’m sorry if you are, I just find it hard to imagine someone who is generally aware of the world could think this, especially since they are known Russian propagandists talking points. To be clear: America is absolutely not suffering economically as a result of supporting Ukrainian resistance to Russian invasion.

How is conquest of Ukraine diametrically opposed to the interests of USA?

> They are the adversary of USA because they directly seek to oppose USA and the rules based world order it leads

How so?

> I know that if China invaded Florida, I would be very comfortable with UK sending USA weapons for as long as USA wants to try to fight the foreign invaders.

USA is more powerful than China in military - not to mention UK is an ally of USA. And sure, it's up to the invaded country, but at a certain point countries don't want to keep sending money into a blackhole.

> Are you being serious? I’m sorry if you are, I just find it hard to imagine someone who is generally aware of the world could think this, especially since they are known Russian propagandists talking points

It's so easy to call something a Russian propagandist talking point or Russian bot instead of actually addressing points. Let's have a discussion without resorting to calling the other side propagandists.

> To be clear: America is absolutely not suffering economically as a result of supporting Ukrainian resistance to Russian invasion.

I can't comment on America because I don't live there, but European countries have suffered hard. Especially by not buying gas from Russia. Our industrial economy takes a massive hit due to increase in power. A lot of residential houses pay a lot more for gas/heating/electricity - and those are European, already a lot poorer than the Americans.

> How is conquest of Ukraine diametrically opposed to the interests of USA

Wars of aggression in Europe are against the interests of the USA.

I’be been addressing your points. It’s just hard to take them seriously as known Russian propaganda.

So Europeans suffering due to increased energy cost is Russian propaganda?

You have not provided any reasoning, just talking points.

I have supplied reason after reason for why supporting Ukraine is in the interests of USA.