[dragonwriter]

The current war started with the 2014 invasion by Russia.

Claiming that the invasion of Ukraine by Russia is caused and justified by a thing which happened after and in response to that invasion is arguing for retrocausality. It is not "going back in history and cherry picking events" to point out when and how the current war started in a discussion of the causes of the current war, especially when an event that happened after and in response to the start of the current war is argued to justify the aggressor in the current war.

[skinnymuch]

It started because of the western coup in Ukraine. Reminds me of people who say Oct 7 started the “war” in Palestine.

[dlahoda]

what do you mean by western coup?

so you would preffer russian troops killing political opponents and protesters in ua, like they did since 1992 in belarus till these day to avoid """coup"""?

or you prefer russian troops did 10x more massacre and hide it, instead they did 10x less in bucha and did not have time to hide?

btw just talk with pl and cz old people how their western coup was going.

seems like people prefer western coup to russian massacress and mass graves...

[skinnymuch]

The west does things even worse than that to non white people and the west does near nothing (usually perpetrating this behavior) to avoid coups the way you’re saying.

There was a coup orchestrated by the west in Ukraine in 2014. Followed by an escalation of a complicated situation that is not clear cut like people in the west like to make things seem. After the coup, there was suppression of Russian things by the western backed and planted regime.

Of course things may have eventually escalated if Ukraine and the west are doing that and the Russian separatists in the east are provoking in DPR and LDR.

I am sympathetic to Kissinger, Dugin, and Mearsheimer views on geopolitics if you must know.

[munksbeer]

> There was a coup orchestrated by the west in Ukraine in 2014

When did they become accepted wisdom? What if it isn't true?