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by moralestapia 475 days ago
Yah, good one.

Unfortunately, that is not some kind of universally agreed ethical principle, so I am not sure what value it brings to this conversation.

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Outside of ethical systems with heavy religious influences, what kind of society doesn't accept one's autonomy over their own body?
Were you on Planet Earth between 2020 and 2022?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic

I'm not sure I'm ready to accept the fact that having rights restricted is a body autonomy issue outside of being in solitary confinement. I commented in a different thread about "exigent conditions" which sometimes can trump personal liberties or even body autonomy when the "greater good" is concerned. If I'd entertain your statement as being on topic, I'd say that national measures in a global pandemic fit that.
Good. Then you don't have "autonomy over your own body".

The other commenter on this sub-thread just gave you another example of that.

Exceptions don't invalidate rules. Jesus, it's like I'm debating with preschoolers.
>Exceptions don't invalidate rules.

Source, you?

I could argue the opposite. If your purported "exception" applies to 80%+ of the global population, a minimal dash of common sense would make me think that's the rule, not the other way around.

Your "exception"s are quite loose, pal!

All of them. Is there a country without draft?
I think the draft qualifies as "exigent conditions" in which some rights and ethics get suspended in favour of the "greater good", or if you mean mandatory military service, I think most western nations stopped having that. Do you have something more mundane in mind?

[edit] To answer your question: yes, there are only 66 countries with mandatory military service. Among the Western democracies there are the Nordics, Estonia, Austria and Greece. From here: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries...

I don't see how "greater good" justification is any different between my example and the topic.
The ethical system on which modern Western societies are built allows for body autonomy, while at the same time covers some corner cases: war, pandemic, etc. The fact that there are exceptions doesn't somehow invalidate the basics.