[jeffhuys]

Makes me think of arguman[1] and kialo[2]. I discovered arguman maybe 10 years ago and have been thinking about it ever since. It's non-functional now but the source code is available. Maybe it's just my wishful thinking, but if we could map out every detail of an argument, maybe we could make progress faster, as a species. If this were incentivized well (like for instance polymarket), maybe with crypto rewards or something, this *could* take off.

[1] https://github.com/arguman/arguman.org - the website exists but is non-functional now

[2] https://www.kialo.com - feels like a dumbed-down version of arguman

[keyserj]

I think if we could improve our ability to easily & precisely communicate arguments, that would be huge for humanity's ability to deal with problems. I'm building a tool[1] that I'm hoping can help with this, maybe be a successor (in some ways) to something like Kialo.

It's critically missing suggestions/approvals[2], and perhaps a simpler interface[3], but I think that, for arguments about problems/solutions, the idea of grounding arguments within a cause/effect diagram is really powerful both for getting on the same page and for making concrete progress towards improving a situation (rather than arguing for argument's sake).

I'd be happy to get your thoughts on it if you have any (I'll be making a HN post about it sometime soon^TM).

[1] https://ameliorate.app/

[2] https://github.com/amelioro/ameliorate/issues/11

[3] https://github.com/amelioro/ameliorate/discussions/541

[jeffhuys]

> I think if we could improve our ability to easily & precisely communicate arguments, that would be huge for humanity's ability to deal with problems.

I've been thinking the same thing, and also started working on it in the past. Whenever I voiced this (like here) others came to me saying they also thought of it as at LEAST a part of "the solution". You seem to actually have something going here!

I'll take a look at your three links, a first look at [1] gives me goosebumps, you have no idea how happy I am that I'm not the only one that still has this top-of-mind, especially nowadays, no matter what side you lean towards.

I can't really find the words to convey my elation here, so you'll have to do with a simple "wow, thank you!".

[keyserj]

That's awesome to hear :). I also appreciate knowing that I'm not the only one thinking about it.

[bflesch]

interesting. I've been thinking about building something like this to provide a structured framework for social media discussions and argument chains.