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by relaxing 474 days ago
I’m a pretty big music fan and I have no idea what you’re on about. Where did you get this theory?

> The problem with real music, is that it requires a hefty amount of musicians to establish a genre.

Why is establishing genre a goal in the first place?

> This amount could be somewhere in the range of 100 to 1000 musicians.

This is demonstrably false. Genre is defined by critical consensus, and it can arise around one or a handful of bands.

> With A.I. we can resurrect dead genres

What dead genre are you after? I’d imagine there are folk styles that haven’t been kept alive, but I question whether AI recreations would satisfy anyone. I’d rather listen to authentic recordings instead. And if the genre doesn’t have a significant recorded catalog, you can’t train a generative AI to produce it anyway.

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Yeah, it seems like a pretty contrived example and theory.

I think what the OP is trying to articulate is that they are aware of more genres now? Maybe AI makes exploration of niche genres more exciting and participatory for them. They are finding new genres and "expanding them", but it's just bc they were ignorant of them (or unengaged with the content of the song style) before they could participate in this way. I dunno, just trying to think what they might have experienced that would make them think some new universal was coming true * shrug *

>Why is establishing genre a goal in the first place?

What is culture, if not a common agreement on what is beautiful and ugly? Establishing a genre in music is not a goal, but we see it happen over and over again. It is how humans operate since forever, we mimic one another in fashion, in music and many other things.

> Genre is defined by critical consensus, and it can arise around one or a handful of bands.

It arises around a handful of bands, but if it doesn't grow past 5 bands let's say, we are talking about 50 songs in total every year. Who listens nowadays to only 50 songs per year?

> And if the genre doesn’t have a significant recorded catalog, you can’t train a generative AI to produce it anyway.

Yes you can. Synthetic data generation is a big thing already and tens of millions of dollars are poured into it every year.

I’m not sure if you misunderstand genre, or the way humans relate to music, or both? Culture is not genre. I don’t know anyone who listens to only the current year’s output from a single genre.

I haven’t done the analysis, but consider someone who listens to pop radio: if one new song per week makes it into heavy rotation I’d say that sounds like the right ballpark.

Personally I’d be ecstatic if there were 50 worthwhile new songs to listen to each year.

I understand synthetic data. I question whether anyone will accept the results.