[barbazoo]

> And they (China) are explicitly interested in overturning the global order.

- Putin is actively taking Ukrainian territory by force

- Trump is threatening to take Greenland, Canada and the Panama canal by (economic) force

- Xi Jinping is threatening to take Taiwanese territory by force

Of all three, Jinping seems like the smallest threat to the "world order".

If you're talking about economic power, that's a different story but I wouldn't call them "adversary" in that context.

[stickfigure]

Nobody takes Trump's comments seriously. Possibly not even Trump.

Putin is in a hot war right now. Xi seems to be actively preparing for one. The chance of the US sitting aside a military invasion of Taiwan seems very low to me.

[Loughla]

It's been, what, 10 years of Trump now. If you're not taking what he says seriously, you have failed to learn anything.

[stickfigure]

His first term was mostly inconsequential. The second term looks different so far - especially for the Ukranians - but the Canadians, Mexicans, and Greenlanders/Danes aren't preparing for war. To be honest, I think the US military would flatly refuse. There would be violent revolution in the streets here.