[Marazan]

> I think he leans towards an idea that quantum mechanics has a way of making more-than-Turing computation happen (note that this is not about what we call quantum computers, which are fully Turing-equivalent systems, just more efficient for certain problems), and that this is how our brains actually function.

That was my understanding on Penrose's position as well which is just a "Consciousness of the Gaps" argument. As we learn more about quantum operations the space for Consciousness as a special property of humans disapears.

[sarchertech]

Penrose doesn’t think that consciousness is special to humans. He thinks most animals have it and more importantly to your point, he thinks that there is no reason that we won’t someday construct artificial creations that have it.

I just watched an interview where he made that exact statement nearly word for word.

His only argument is that it is not computable, not that it’s not physical. He does think the physical part involves the collapse of the wave function due to gravity, and that somehow the human brain is interacting with that.

So to produce conciseness in his view, you’d need to construct something capable of interacting with the quantum world the same way he believes organic brains do (or something similar to it). A simulation of the human brain wouldn’t do it.