[xandrius]

Both Firefox/Mozilla and Wikipedia are actually exceptions in this world as they do get quite a large substantial amount of donations.

So I don't really see this being true. Also foundations shouldn't seek to grow but to keep doing why they do.

See how Wikipedia/Wikimedia, while both getting more money and providing almost the same service, still haven't updated how people can actually parse their content but, at least, didn't start selling data.

[glenstein]

My understanding is that the Mozilla Foundation is insulated from the development work on Firefox. I think it's good to have the voice alongside EFF and others advocating for good web standards. And that's definitely not a bad thing. Especially if the reason for supporting Firefox is the diversification away from Google's dominance in the browser space.

But I think it's the paid subscriptions that are the main channel of personally contributing revenue towards the part of the organization that develops the browser.

[aragilar]

The paid subscriptions would be great if you could get them, I keep checking if they're available here, still not :-(

Does EFF do anything in the standards process? They're not an implementer, and they don't employ devs which work on browsers (as far as I know).

[glenstein]

I wasn't super clear, but I was thinking of their subscription based products such as Pocket and I believe the VPN.

EFF does a number of things such as advocate for web standards that don't benefit Google at the expense of other browsers. They get involved in legal action and legislating and they publish privacy badger, an extension that blocks tracking. My understanding is they also worked with Mozilla to stand up Le's Encrypt as a broadly accessible way to access HTTPS.