[katmannthree]

What’s your take on near-term stability for American immigrants in Europe? I was looking at options for moving last year but the work visa situation seemed fairly precarious (although that’s a relative thing in comparison with what may end up happening here in the US).

[angry_moose]

As someone who has been looking; the EU Blue Card through Germany seems pretty stable and straightforward, with a 21/27 month path to permanent residency, depending on language ability:

https://www.make-it-in-germany.com/en/visa-residence/types/e...

The politics there are a little concerning at the moment but should be stable for at least 4 years. With residency, the rest of the EU becomes a lot easier if things change.

[findingMeaning]

I want to be vocal about it for third world country people like me.

If you own a home in your own country, please stay there. From my experience with EU it is not worth it. On the surface it looks crazy good. But west has their own share of problems.

The cultural mix is difficult, second class citizen is always going to be a thing. There won't be racism or anything like that. It just the aura of people change when they speak with natives vs non-natives.

Ask this important question before moving to EU: is it worth trading your family, culture, connection, and your ability to communicate for a foreign land where you are going to be second class citizen, your struggle will only give a glimmer of hope for your children?

Left EU for my home. Never returning there. The promise of paradise isn't appealing at all.

Experience it once in your life, but do not stay.

[katmannthree]

Thank you for the link. How is Germany looking RE economic stability for the next couple of years? I was looking into Sweden but even the Swedish citizens I know there are having a difficult time finding / keeping engineering jobs as the economy has been doing poorly.

[angry_moose]

Like anything, really hard to say right now.

My impression is there's some weakness from the auto industry struggling which is flooding the job market; but there's a lot of upside. They're investing big in a lot of new industries that don't even really exist in the US (energy related).

Rheinmetall and the rest of the defense industry seems like its set to really take off over the next few years, which even if you aren't eligible for (citizenship requirements), it'll lead to other industries needing labor though.

I'm not from there and don't follow it super closely so am not an expert, but that's kindof been my read on it.

For what its worth, this started because I struggle to find 2-3 jobs in the US per week worth applying for in my field. I can find 8-10 a day over there without much trouble (had several interviews, 2 final rounds, 1 "you weren't a fit for this role, but we really want to talk to you again in May").

[andsoitis]

> How is Germany looking RE economic stability for the next couple of years?

Not great. Its economic growth has stalled. European Commission forecasts GDP growth of 0.7 percent in 2025, the slowest in the EU. Since 2017, the German economy has grown by 1.6 percent, while the EU average has been 9.5 percent.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/german...

[scrollaway]

Personally I’m pushing my (Belgian) government hard to provide a streamlined path for American immigrants, especially tech workers.

In general, it’s easy, just highly bureaucratic. If you compare to what most other countries have to go through, getting a work visa as a skilled us citizen is quick.

[katmannthree]

As one of the many Americans who wants to contribute to a society whose values match their own, thank you. Is there somewhere to follow your efforts in that front?

[scrollaway]

A lot of it is small-scale lobbying, so not much to follow :)

If you want to support some of the efforts I'm pushing hard for, check out EU Inc: https://www.eu-inc.org/

Many entrepreneurs here know what the advantages are in the US compared to EU when it comes to startups etc and understand what needs to change. There's real willingness to get it done and the trump election has been fast-forwarding through so many of the steps, giving the EU the kick it needed to wake up.

All the momentum is there, now. I'm feeling super optimistic about Europe. But the recession will be hard to weather.

[selimthegrim]

I would have loved to come work for imec but the only immediate internship budget they had was a studentship with accompanying stipend and visa. They told me it would have taken too long to sort out the employee route.

[scrollaway]

Check out the companies they fund, instead. Those will have an easier time hiring you. And then there are paths to working directly with Imec.

[selimthegrim]

Thanks for the advice - maybe I will have more questions in near future about this