[miltonlost]

Because AI LLMs are actively ruining the education of children, the actual retaining of information coming from writing your own words and thinking your own thoughts. Because AI is only being used as a cudgel by executives to reduce the workforce of humans with no intention of additional economic justice.

[mingus88]

I have school aged children and it’s not AI that’s ruining anything

Curriculum isn’t moving fast enough. Just a few years ago every teacher had to adapt for COVID and go 100% online/remote in many areas. Kids are still turning in every assignment online, even in classroom settings in my district.

So, yeah, kids can just paste the question into ChatGPT and copy the answer. Nobody learns anything.

This isn’t AI ruining education, it’s schools being under-resourced and unable to move as quickly as society is changing. Teachers are still buying their own supplies, how can they adapt their entire curriculum in the course of a couple years to work under this entirely new paradigm of LLMs?

Give it a bit and I am convinced schools will go back to oral reports, handwritten essays and whatever is needed to make sure children are not just pasting garbage back and forth

Honestly, I think this is what we need to kill toxic social media and phone addiction as well. If AI forces us to talk and interact as a community again, it’s a win. Leave the internet to the bots and AI.

[cruffle_duffle]

The exact same thing is said for every new form of tech. All tech has its good parts and bad parts. It was true of the black and white television, it was true of the Nintendo, it was true of the cell phone and it will be true if this technology as well.

You either accept that change happens and use your life experience to help shape it in a positive direction or, well… I dunno. Become a old curmudgeon and watch the world blow by you.

[miltonlost]

We don't allow people to use mustard gas willy nilly as their technology of choice. But sure, your "there's good and bad to everything!!! change is inevitable!!" platitudes are useful too.

And your tech examples don't offload actual process of thinking to others the way AI does. The comparisons are surface level and ignore what I actually said.

[ahnick]

Except you didn't offer any evidence for your position, provide any references, or provide any sort of logical argument. You offer your own platitude and then condemn other commenters for doing so, hypocrisy.

[jstummbillig]

The one recurring theme throughout history: Incumbents lamenting the downfall of some aspect of civilization in the face of new developments.

[joquarky]

That's all fine until we build a brittle civilization that takes ages to reboot after a Carrington event

[imiric]

I think that's hyperbolic.

The current state of LLMs _can_ be helpful for education. Millions of people use them as such and benefit from it.

A far bigger problem with the technology IMO is the generative aspect. We already have a large problem with disinformation and spam on the internet, and generative AI will increase this by many orders of magnitude. Discerning fact from fiction is already difficult today; it will be literally impossible to do in the future, _unless_ we invent more technology to save us from it. This is a problem we haven't even begun to address. The public is collectively blinded by the novelty of the technology, while entrepreneurs are jumping over themselves trying to profit from the latest gold rush. Very few people with the power to change anything are actually thinking about the long-term, or even mid-term, impacts.

[dehrmann]

But this cat's already out of the bag. LLMs might not be on the verge of AGI, but they're still great at answering homework questions.

[miltonlost]

So? That's still going to ruin kids education. I still would like to see AI burn

[criddell]

I wouldn’t give up on teachers just yet. The 5-paragraph essay is probably dead as are mathematics homework assignments that are boring variations of the same problem over-and-over. The field is being cleared for new ideas and I bet some of them will prove to be very good.

[fdsjgfklsfd]

How in the world did you get from "1:1 student-teacher ratio" to "ruin kids education"? AI is amazing for education. Everyone has their own teacher in their pocket.

[GeoAtreides]

How in the world did _you_ get from "copy and paste homework answers blindly" to "1:1 student-teacher ratio"

[dehrmann]

No only won't you see it burn, you'll see commercial-quality LLMs on consumer devices in a few years (if they're not there already).