[63stack]

Cognito and Auth0 are so popular because 1) somewhere in the past 5 years developers got bullied into believing that doing authentication is now hard, high risk, dangerous, hard to get right, and all kinds of scare words in the name of the security theater, and, 2) there are a lot of incompetent people who somehow don't understand that you should not put your database on the public internet without authentication.

Just outsource all of that to us, we will all take care of all that very hard work for you, really, just 5.99$/month at first, and when we inevitably get hacked, because actually it's us that have no fucking idea what security is, since we only understand security theater compliance language, you can point your fingers at us so you don't get fired, and we will wash our hands with some vague PR words. Win win.

[ljm]

I think auth in the way that b2b services require it is, at the bare minimum, awkward, and made more difficult when you step out of a language ecosystem where that problem has been solved extensively.

As you say though it’s not technically hard, it’s just a massive fucking faff. OIDC, identity providers, oAuth2, SSO… and I would argue that solutions like Cognito complicate that setup far more than they should.

Plus, it’s an easy B2B money maker when so many businesses lock their SSO functionality behind a top-tier enterprise plan. So that’s the real reason for making auth harder than it is. If it was about security it would be a basic feature.

[matt7340]

All true, but glosses over a lot of nuance and wide variety of contexts, particularly B2B.

We’re likely going to switch to Cognito because maintaining OIDC auth has been a pretty big cost for a small company. IdP configurability in particular is painful both technically and in customer support.

One downside to Cognito/etc though is while they’ll handle the tech side (Okta notwithstanding), it’s still up to you to troubleshoot and configure and integrate correctly. Lots of opportunities to “solve” the security risks, but hurt customer and user experience in the process.

[grinich]

I'm the founder of WorkOS and we solve this problem for developers, primarily focusing on the challenges around enterprise SAML, SCIM, complex RBAC, fine-grained authorization, and more.

We build the Admin Portal for IdP configuration: https://workos.com/admin-portal

WorkOS actually launched on HN about 5 years ago[0] and today it's used by OpenAI, Cursor, Perplexity, and hundreds of other companies.

Feel free to email me if I can help: [e-mail]

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22607402

[giancarlostoro]

Sure, but you are forgetting about compliance and adopting the same standards org wise across thousands of projects spanning hundreds of teams and jurisdictions, and separate industry standards across. Thats what adopting something like Auth0 is for.

[apitman]

Sadly enough it is actually a win win.