[lordhexd]

They could soon realize China and Russia may actually make better allies. Might not be what the consensus on HN prefers, but maybe it’s time to look east.

We need more cooperation for collective benefit instead of cooperation for the sake of profit

[troupo]

Ukraine was Russia's ally. Russian businesses operated in Ukraine. Russian entertainment was made in Ukraine. There was effectively no borders between Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine was one of the most pro-Russian countries among the post-Soviet countries.

Look what being an ally with Russia brought.

[artem2471]

That’s not really accurate. Ukraine was not a member of either defence or economic blocs, like CSTO, or Customs Union, headed by Russia. Also some of the Ukrainian governments were effectively against relying on Russia, Yuschenko 2005-2010. Yet, there were extensive economic ties up to 2014, and some cultural ties up to 2022. Its not black and white.

[drysine]

>Look what being an ally with Russia brought.

More like what becoming an ally of the US in 2014 brought.

[throwaway48476]

Syria rolled over because HTS improved the quality of life in Idlib. Ukraine resisted because russia turned donbas into a corrupt mafia state. People overlook the importance of the little things. Most people are fence sitters but are very aware of the facts on the ground.

[drysine]

>Ukraine resisted because russia turned donbas into a corrupt mafia state.

In this picture Crimea is conspicuously absent.

[troupo]

Ah yes. It was the US that invaded and illegally annexed Ukraine's territories, got you.

[Renaud]

China has little to nothing to gain from being an allied of Russia.

China needs to export to the West to survive. The Russian market is not able to absorb what China needs to sell.

China has already distanced itself from Russia. China’s happy to sell Russia what it can buy, but there is no real upside to that relationship.

[throwaway48476]

China benefits either way it goes.

[anon7725]

> We need more cooperation for collective benefit instead of cooperation for the sake of profit

And you think that will happen with China and Russia as allies? Jesus. This thread is brigaded to hell by trolls.

[DamnYuppie]

Wait who would ally with China/Russia, Europe or US? I mean either of those are a deathknell for Europe. China will not defend them against Russia. Heck I am not sure China can keep its hands off of Russia's oil fields as they lack their own resources. It would be fun to watch though.

What collective benefit are you referring to exactly that isn't going to be profit? You think Russia and China care about your ideologies? China will exploit you and Russia will do what Russia always does. They all want to gang up and invade America?? They would have better things to do then that if Europe became their pet.

[ngcazz]

China, famously exploiting poorer nations through infrastructure investment and a focus on trade.