[bjoli]

Because he was expected to? To get a mineral deal and a ceasefire seemingly without any security guarantees? (Because Putin "is a man of his word")

I never thought I would see the day of a president that was more gullible than Bush with his story about Putin's mother's crucifix.

Edit: and getting support from Orbán is hardly something to be proud of.

[Timber-6539]

Zelensky lost big yesterday. The minerals deal was supposed to solidify a security guarantee from Uncle Sam. He bet on the wrong horse i.e Europe. Ukraine is facing assured destruction now if Zelensky continues on the foolish path of drumming up support for more war against the insurmountable Bear.

I respect Trump a lot more for having the fortitude to push for a peace negotiation, maybe we'll even be talking about a Nobel prize sometime next year.

[bjoli]

First of all, Trump has been very reluctant about any security guarantees. I don't think he will give any, regardless of mineral deal or not.

And I agree Zelenskys lost yesterday. I was expecting him to do what Starmer did, just "more". Go there with a smile and eat whatever poop sandwich Trump and Vance served him.

I can understand people that think "good on him for standing up for himself", but he wasn't there to stand up for himself. He was there to security guarantees.

On the other hand I doubt trump and couch-guy had anything else planned. If they had been serious about the intentions this would have been negotiated and done long before any kind of public appearance.