[bloppe]

Why do you assume only poor people are annoying neighbors? Rich people can afford bigger speakers, more booze, and to not have a job so they can stay up all night. I think wealth is positively correlated with the problems you describe.

[trollbridge]

Some of us have actually lived in both cheap and expensive areas. Cheap areas tend to have unemployed people on them who decide to play loud music at all hours of the day and night.

Expensive areas have people who are busy working jobs to pay for their expensive housing and go to sleep at night.

Ergo, people who value peace and quiet gravitate towards expensive areas.

[throwaway652368]

Of course there are exceptions, but on average, wealthy people are way way better when it comes to these kinds of things. Especially wealthy people who get that way by keeping themselves busy with productive labor. The upstairs neighbor doesn't need a $5000 stereo system to make your life a living hell, they can do that perfectly efficiently with a $30 subwoofer.

[loeg]

Why are most criminals men under 40? Some things just are, uncomfortable as they may feel.

[bloppe]

Well that's an easily verifiable fact, wheres "poor people are louder" is more of a belief

[loeg]

It seems like a hypothesis that is also verifiable ("... on average").

[throwaway652368]

See, this is why the housing problem is so difficult to solve. You think you're being virtuous or something by sticking up for the poor oppressed. Why don't you be even more virtuous and move yourself to Skid Row since all those poor people are really so mild and quiet and misunderstood. All you're really doing is ensuring that this problem continues indefinitely. You're the same kind of person who insisted men should be allowed to use womens bathrooms and thus ushered in Trump 2.0, hope the good-boy-points you got for that were worth it.

[bloppe]

I'm not the one with a strong conviction based on little experience

[nathan_compton]

Somehow I doubt social justice warriors are the key thing holding up housing reform. That grants a few wokescolds more power than a huge number of other economic forces.

This is kind of like blaming environmentalists when NIMBYs use environmental reviews to prevent new construction. They don't give a shit about the environment, really, but they know how to misuse the system to get what they want.