[jimbohn]

Take the chance to freshen up on eastern European history and the absolute dark footprint that russia has cast on it during the centuries. There is a reason why eastern europeans would rather die than be under russian occupation. It's not just about borders, it's about oppression, torture, destruction, and then borders again in a few years. To STILL not see what the russian world is about is truly an exercise in idiocy. Sorry, I had to answer a genuine question with a genuine statement

[johnisgood]

> why eastern europeans would rather die than be under russian occupation.

From what I gathered, people above a certain age say that their country was better under Soviet Union. Additionally, people say (probably rightly so) that Orbán is pro-Putin. Why is it the case?

[tasuki]

> From what I gathered, people above a certain age say that their country was better under Soviet Union.

Rather a minority of people above a certain age. Like, these days you can go to the shop and buy a banana. Other things, too. I still remember the queues, at the end of which... there was nothing.

[jimbohn]

>From what I gathered, people above a certain age say that their country was better under Soviet Union

Assuming this is true, it's because these are soviet leftovers who had a low education, were indoctrinated from a young age, and lived during the dream phase where you were told what to do, where to live, etc. Then came the bill when everything collapsed because this didn't work. I can make everybody happy tomorrow by emptying the state coffers and institutionalizing national NEETDOM, can't promise our happiness will last long but we can try! And regardless of what they think, it was shit.

Edit: about "why is Orban pro-putin?", this is a joke right?

[johnisgood]

> about "why is Orban pro-putin?", this is a joke right?

No, genuine question, he is Eastern European. Let us go further, they claim Hungary is pro-Russian, how come?

[jimbohn]

No, I'd rather not spend my time on what seems to be a promising exercise in moving the goalpost. Not sure I'd classify hungary as eastern European (I was mostly referring to slavs) but sure you can find at least a pro russian guy among eastern europeans, especially dictator ones.

[johnisgood]

So you actually have no answer to why you believe Orbán, or even the people (allegedly) of Hungary pro-Putin?

[Mawr]

Well, from what I gathered, people think the Earth is flat. And I think the way I gathered that data is considerably less creative than the way you did if you managed to come up with that inane conclusion.

In fact, you're so wrong that we're no longer in the realm of having opinions. You're objectively wrong. Look up comparisons of the economic growth of nations to the west of the Berlin Wall and to its east. Germany's alone would suffice, but have at it.

And then you think bringing up outliers means anything... If chess is so difficult why is Magnus Carlsen so good at it? Therefore, chess is an easy game, gotcha. yawn

[johnisgood]

Visit a town in Eastern Europe and ask around. bald and bankrupt did, for example.

But if you consider the majority of the elderly in villages as outliers, then have at it.

It does not change the fact that many of them said that life was better in Soviet Union.

How am I objectively wrong? All I claimed was that some people preferred their life in Soviet Union. I think you read too much into it.