[Karellen]

> On the minerals front, the US doesn't need anything from Ukraine.

Need's got nothing to do with it. Bullies don't take what you have because they need it, they take it because that's what you have, and they want to take it away from you, just to be taking it away from you.

For Trump, it is not enough that (as he perceives the situation) he wins, rather than (as he perceives) everyone else loses. Even people's whose backs are up against the wall. Especially people whose backs are up against the wall. If you don't exploit the weakest player at the table, why are you even playing?

(Not that Trump knows anything about gambling... who the fuck loses money running a casino... on multiple separate occasions...)

Trump isn't making deals based on carefully considered advantages and concessions. He's just grasping his tiny hands at whatever comes in reach, whether or not he needs it, like the half-wit schoolyard thug he is.

[Hikikomori]

I dont understand how anyone is not seeing that trump just want to gobble up parts of Ukraine for his own gain, it's no better than the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, Trump is just angry he's late to the party. There will be no guarantees for Ukraine and no concessions for Russia once this deal is signed.

[Animats]

> Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact

Germany, not Russia, broke that one.

Worth watching: Neville Chamberlain's famous "Peace for our time" speech. "I have here a paper signed by the German Chancellor, Herr Hitler."[1] And the crowd cheers.

Trump signing a comparable agreement with Putin is all too possible.

[1] https://youtu.be/_gGppFLNaio?t=44

[ponector]

> Germany, not Russia, broke that one.

It was about mutual occupation of Poland. Now Trump is talking with putin how they want to divide Ukraine.