[techorange]

I don't think that we're this far gone yet, but is there a chance the US sides with Putin in this case? I think it would be risky, and I don't _think_ Trump's base would go for it, but it does feel like the long term goal is to try to sanitize the idea of a shift in the geopolitical order to ally America with Russia instead of with Europe.

[borsecplata]

trump and the republicans must really be stupid to trade NATO for russia, while leaving an opening for china to side with europe. If US ditches europe, india/SK/JP and the rest of asia will soon reciprocate.

All this so that US sides with a bankrupt cleptocracy and dictatorship. 1000iq move, I guess.

[alrs]

Europe is not allowed to have its own foreign policy, let alone "side with China." All of those US military bases are there for a reason.

[rectang]

…for now. With the US acting in concert with Russia against Europe’s interest, it’s time for Europe to reconsider whether those bases should stay.

[alrs]

Europe has no say in the matter, short of France using its nukes.

[CodeBytes]

Unless Trump wants to start WW3 the US won't be able to do anything, and even if he did start WW3, Europe would be able to destroy those bases.

The whole point of them was to give the US influence while improving US security. Given Europe can't trust Trump will come to their aid, they won't give the US as much influence over Europe.

[alrs]

https://old.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/1aywc5a/europe...

[borsecplata]

"Is not allowed", lol.

[myko]

trump's base just goes for whatever he says now - perhaps in 2016/2017 they wouldn't, but it is a full on cult now

[graublau]

Maybe this passes as insightful in some circles but it's completely untrue when you consider how much of his base is currently fuming about weak Epstein annoucement and Israel more generally.

[mcphage]

> it's completely untrue when you consider how much of his base is currently fuming about weak Epstein annoucement and Israel more generally

Yeah, but they're not going to do anything about it.

[aparticulate]

I am trying to express in good faith, I have found the Left to be generally less effective in dealing with grassroots criticism (it's seen as too populist). Trump will flip on an issue due to pressure from the frog guys. The Left are more dogmatic from top intellectuals, don't really listen to the base. Huge issue in the last elxn. Fixable though imo.

[techorange]

Not if he puts boots on the ground. Having a relative die in a foreign war focuses people’s attention real fast. They may blame Biden somehow but

[tumsfestival]

Nah, they'd say it was god's will or some nonsense and pretend it's all right. A minority might even be completely fine with losses as long as their god emperor wins in the end and owns the libs.

[corey_moncure]

Gosh could there be some kind of connection between Biden and the conflict in Ukraine?

[myko]

Yes, he did everything he could to prevent it - being mocked mercilessly by the rightwing for suggesting Putin might do what he eventually did.

Biden did not do enough to kick Russia out, though. He should have given Ukraine everything they wanted, including a no-fly zone (and ideally Warthog support when Russia was stuck in the mud).

[senordevnyc]

Seems too soon, and both Trump and Putin know that.

But in a few months, when Trump’s base and the Republican Party have turned completely pro-Putin and anti-Europe…

[epistasis]

IMHO, they are already there. There's no spine in the Republican party to prevent bowing down to Putin, they have always been anti-Europe, and Putin is a big daddy that they actively court when they idolize Hungary's dictator and hold CPAC meetings and try to emulate Orban.

[simion314]

I think in this era of misinformation Trump+Elon can convince their falolowers that is the greatest idea to help Putin, and that Putin is the second greatest leader in the world history after Trump... you can still see USAians claiming USA paid more then Europe even if the lie was exposed days ago