[burnt_toast]

> It's your phone that you bought from Apple with full knowledge of the restrictions beforehand. If you wanted a phone with more freedom you could have bought another device and voted with your wallet, but you didn't.

This is an unfair argument. No consumer can be expected to do hours of research on every purchase they make and understand the implications of everything. Manufacturers can say almost anything they want as "marketing" and can/do change the terms at anytime they wish.

> Software limitations are not exclusive to Apple. They're everywhere. For instance, manufacturers intentionally kneecap CPUs/GPUs so they can sell the same chips from the same wafer at different price points. Why aren't they targeted too? You bought the whole chip but you don't get to use it.

Yes and motherboard manufacturers have also offered BIOS options to bypass those kneecaps. I remember having fun unlocking the fourth core on my AMD Athlon II x3 455 and getting the "whole chip".

It's not quite the same scenario though. Some of those CPUs/GPUs have hardware issues such as an unstable core and the company is making the best of it by selling them as lesser models instead of trashing them.

[dmitrygr]

> No consumer can be expected to do hours of research on every purchase they make and understand the implications of everything.

And yet you expect them to do that research for EVERY APP someone on the phone tells them to install?! That is how scammers walked my grandma through installing a fake banking app on her android phone, and stole all her money. Luckily iOS stops that!

[mrguyorama]

>Luckily iOS stops that!

So you're just ignoring how the app store regularly has outright scam apps in it like : https://blog.lastpass.com/posts/warning-fraudulent-app-imper...

Apple's limitations demonstrably are not protective.

[burnt_toast]

I'm not the one blaming consumers here.

Sorry to hear about your Grandmother but just because someone has an Iphone doesn't mean the scammers will give up. They'll just pick another attack vector.

[dmitrygr]

So far, they give up when they hear that it is not an android. I'll take it.

[kelnos]

> And yet you expect them to do that research for EVERY APP someone on the phone tells them to install?!

No, we're expecting people who don't want to do that research to only install from an official, vetted source, like the Apple App Store.

> That is how scammers walked my grandma through installing a fake banking app on her android phone, and stole all her money.

That genuinely sucks, but I don't think keeping people from fully owning their devices is the answer to that problem.

Put another way, if this is your position, then you should also support the idea of Apple also locking down macOS so it will only run apps installed through the Mac App Store. And Microsoft should do something similar with Windows. But I sincerely hope you wouldn't support that... that's just absurd.

The funny thing is that directing people to malicious websites is generally a lot easier than getting them to sideload a malicious app. If Android were to suddenly start disallowing sideloading, I'm sure the people who tricked your grandmother would have based their scam on a malicious website instead. If she trusted some rando on the phone to download and install a malicious app, I'm sure she would have been tricked by that same rando directing her to a malicious website.

But I guess we can just ban web browsers too, right?