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by fjjjrjj 484 days ago
I have a teenager and a elementary schooler and both enjoy PC gaming.

The elder is interested in game development through his love of Roblox. I hope to help him get started with an IDE for lua, git, and a LLM and turn him loose on it.
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dylan604 484 days ago
> and a LLM

this makes me nervous for proper learning of anything in the future. when the first step to learning is an LLM vs learning the basics with a good understanding and then moving to the "advanced" tools, I don't think this is really learning

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fjjjrjj 484 days ago
It can teach him game development better than I can. I have zero experience with it but I can teach him about the software development lifecycle, version control, and whatnot.

If it sparks his interest he has a lot of life ahead of him to go deeper with it.

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matwood 483 days ago
> this makes me nervous for proper learning of anything in the future

I don't really understand this fear, particularly now with the reasoning models that explain why they did something.

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pqtyw 483 days ago
Nobody is going to read and the "thoughts" they do output are hardly every particularly coherent or insightful (Deepseak is just sem-unhinged continuous rambling and Open AI of course hides most of the reasoning).

Even if the steps/explanations were actually useful and insightful, though IMHO that's not remotely the same thing as figuring out the steps on your own.

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matwood 483 days ago
When chatGPT corrects my writing, the explanations are actually quite helpful.

> IMHO that's not remotely the same thing as figuring out the steps on your own.

This is true with pretty much anything, but it doesn't mean we should ignore tools that can do those steps for you.

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pqtyw 482 days ago
Presumably you knew how to write before ChatGPT was a thing, though?

> we should ignore

Never implied anything of the sort. But it can be a bit like kids not learning basic math and skipping straight to using calculators for everything just 10x worse.

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nottorp 481 days ago
Well I just used a LLM to write a systemd unit for me. One attempt kinda works but it doesn't do what I wanted, the other would do what I wanted if it worked at all.

Every line is explained in detail. They just don't help :)

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sejje 484 days ago
The llm can teach you the basics. It's really good at it.

You can't see if it's really learning or not until you see how it's used.

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dylan604 484 days ago
so now you're implying that everyone that has ever learned anything before an LLM could not see if they were really learning or not? the overly zealous pro-LLM crowd makes me sad that they cannot admit how ridiculous they sound to rationally thinking people
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sejje 483 days ago
No, not at all.

I'm saying you can't judge some learning process that you're not even witnessing.

Maybe you haven't used an LLM to learn something; maybe you just let it write your code. Not everyone does that.

When folks like you narrow arguments "everyone can only use the LLM exactly like I have, and if you do that, it really hinders your learning"---who sounds irrational?

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dylan604 483 days ago
the joke's on you then as I've never used an LLM. i see the results of other people using them, and i'm not impressed.

so who's irrational now by assuming something completely off base?

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sejje 483 days ago
You're vigorously defending your opinion on LLMs after never having used one?

I think you've made my point

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pqtyw 483 days ago
To me it seemed like the comment said the complete opposite of what you are implying? i.e. "llm can teach you the basics" BUT "You can't see if it's really learning or not until you see how it's used."
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Cyphase 484 days ago
You're on HN leaving this comment. I don't think the children of HN commenters are representative. :)
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