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by aeblyve 483 days ago
I feel that this is a basically reactionary perspective, despite the author's assertion that it is not.

Doomscrolling, like drug addiction, is largely the product of the holistic social-biological environment of the actor. People generally do not intentionally throw away stimulating, happy, healthy lives to become destitute drug addicts, and a comparison of opening a parking payment application to being offered alcohol seems hyperbolic.

Smartphones are in many ways materially superior to carrying stacks of paper, just as driving a car is usually materially superior to horse-drawn carriage. It is materially inappropriate to allow the Choice of horse-drawn carriage on the interstate highways. These technologies do require increased infrastructure and investment (that interstate), perhaps, but this is the way the human body itself is laid out: a network of interdependent, largely centralized organs. Compare to a simpler life form like a yeast. Less "infrastructure", but also less going on.

I do agree with some of the sentiment of the author. It is not very libertarian of me, but in my opinion, some increased top-down regulation of social networks might be necessary, i.e., KYC. The ability to hide behind aliases to publish whatever you want without any "skin in the game" seems to have decreased the level of coherence overall and permitted for neurotic anti-reality perspectives to proliferate. If government regulation of behavior and chemicals is appropriate, government regulation of garbage information probably is as well.

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> People generally do not intentionally throw away stimulating, happy, healthy lives to become destitute drug addicts

It’s true that people don’t intentionally become destitute drug addicts.

However, it’s completely false to claim that people wouldn’t get addicted to drugs if they had stimulating, happy lives.

A very common entry point to drug addiction in modern life is when people are having a great time in life, doing well enough to afford large amounts of drugs, and feeling invincible because so many things in their life are going their way. People willing experiment with drugs for fun, which can quickly turn into a habit and a cycle.

I don’t know where this myth comes from that drug addicts are a product of their environment, not their own actions. When one of my friends was in rehab (fully recovered now for many years, thankfully) one of their rules was that people had to accept responsibility for their choices and actions in getting involved with drugs. Apparently it was common for people and their families and friends to generate a lot of “not your fault” excuses to absolve them of any responsibility for getting involved with drugs: Blaming peer pressure, a breakup, a bad job, a tragedy. This made people temporarily feel less guilt, but it also allowed them to avoid addressing their own behaviors and actions. Their theory was that entirely externalizing the drug addiction and turning the patient into a 100% pure victim just opens the door to relapse when those circumstances happen again, because it teaches them that it’s not their fault and out of their control anyway.

> Doomscrolling, like drug addiction, is largely the product of the holistic social-biological environment of the actor. People generally do not intentionally throw away stimulating, happy, healthy lives to become destitute drug addicts, and a comparison of opening a parking payment application to being offered alcohol seems hyperbolic.

Even taking this statement at face value, it's easy to point out how absurd it is.

A huge segment of opiod abusers started off with prescriptions. These were functional members of society and availability to dangerous substances absolutely led to bad outcomes. [1]

Or take another vice, gambling. Recently legalized pretty much everywhere, gambling help lines have seen a huge uptick in traffic [2]. It's only been a few years since sports betting has become mainstream, and already it's a drag on society.

But going beyond the face value of that statement, there's a deeper issue which is, huge segments of the population are not leading "stimulating, happy, healthy lives". There's a reason why purveyors of drugs, scams, cults, gambling tend to go after these demographics; people that are desperate for relief. Does that make it okay? Does it excuse the peddling of harmful wares? Because it sounds like you're saying it's fine to sell harm because these people should know better. I think that's a rotten way to live.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I think this line of thinking is wildly antisocial. It's absolutely the "fuck it, i just gotta get my bag" thinking that is ruining trust in our industry.

[1]https://www.cdc.gov/overdose-prevention/about/prescription-o... [2]https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/articl...

That wasn't my intent at all. Because we actually /create/ that social-biological environment, it very much places the ball in the court of people creating these things.
I apologize for misinterpreting, and I admit that my frustration with our industry probably colored how I read your post. To be clear I'm not saying smartphones should go in the trash and we should go back to pagers, I'm just saying that there's a lot of power here, lots of sharks in the water, and we all have monkey brains.

But to your point - who creates this environment, or what incentives are there for creating a less antisocial environment? I don't think collective willpower exists; there are only incentives. The ball may be in our court as creators, but due to the prevailing incentives, we've chosen to use the ball to extract as much as we can from every little piece of everyone's life. And such a powerful tool allows for efficient extraction!

> Doomscrolling, like drug addiction, is largely the product of the holistic social-biological environment of the actor.

Drug addiction is also a product of the availability of drugs.

China has much less problems with opioid overdose than America because they learned their lesson in the 19th century.

Opium use in China was largely ended because of the Communist revolution there in the 20th century, and its policies on the matter.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/347925/

That was what I had heard too, but apparently it's gotten a bit complicated in recent decades [1][2].

Still, I get the impression that drugs are not a part of public life in China the way they are in America.

[1] http://us.china-embassy.gov.cn/eng/zggs/202406/t20240620_114...

[2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16669899

From my perspective drugs are not a part of public life in America either. I hope this continues (My kids will enter high school soon, and that is one of the places where they will leave my bubble for both good and bad)
LOL at the extract:

The People's Republic of China dealt with addiction as a political problem, offering the new society hope, food, shelter, work, and land instead of opium. Addiction no longer had its appeal. Opium producing poppies were replaced by food corps. Large opium distributors were imprisoned. Addicts were "clean". A mass campaign against addiction mobilized the entire nation. Before Liberation in 1949, the Chinese Communist Party had kept opium out of their areas. However, it took until 1953 to rid China completely of opium. Twenty million Chinese outside the People's Republic of China continue to have serious narcotic addiction problems.

At least make it subtle.

Putting drug traffickers to death is an effective deterrent.
Smart phones are much better than stacks of paper for many purposes I'll agree. However a key is better than a phone for unlocking my door. The switch on the wall next to the door is much better than my phone for turning on the light (note that switch placement matters, if the switch was on the other side of the room it would be worse - but we have figured out where to put switches so this doesn't matter.

Technology should all the advantage of owning a personal slave without all human rights costs.

> The ability to hide behind aliases to publish whatever you want without any "skin in the game" seems to have decreased the level of coherence overall and permitted for neurotic anti-reality perspectives to proliferate.

While I do agree with the need for regulation, I don't agree that anonymity is the issue. Today many/most people post under their real name on platforms like Facebook, Instagram and X, and still that doesn't stop people from posting the most vile stuff that you'll ever read. In some sense I feel like that's worse, because if they did so under a synonym there would be some sense that they know that they comments are unacceptable. I honestly think we need more anonymity online.

I suppose you're right about that not being enough. Ultimately there needs to be an increased level of social consciousness for real names to even inspire critique or ridicule. When the reader doesn't think they have any "skin in the game" either, someone's earnest endorsement of ignorance has no felt impact.