[DarkmSparks]

>What does Elizabeth (presumably the 2nd) dying have to do with anything?

Lets just say her replacements brother is Andrew, and his best mate was Jimmey Saville. Should tell you all you need to know about her replacement with less chance of me ending up like David Kelly.

Heads of state do matter, regardless of how much propaganda they push that they only matter in other countries. These laws are not something the labour voters asked for.

[rorylawless]

I don’t understand this. The monarchy hasn’t had influence over parliament and the government for over 300 years. You may be able to point to attempts at doing so (eg the Black Spider letter), however, parliament is fully sovereign.

[ta1243]

The monarchy does have influence [0], but no more than Liz did

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/27/queen-secret...

[DarkmSparks]

Kier Starmer is (pretty much) to the UK what JD Vance is to the US.

Appointed by the head of state. Meets the head of state regularly to be told what to do (wednesdays iirc).

Think about what it has taken for you to say what you just said despite those facts.

We are also talking about what is still the richest, most most powerful family on the planet. You think Elon musk is rich for owning Tesla and Twitter, these guys still own for example, England, Wales, Canada and Australia.

[a_dabbler]

To say the British monarchy "owns" Canada and Australia is comical

[DarkmSparks]

comically true.

its called crown land

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_land

[hnlmorg]

First of all, the King isn’t Prince Andrew. That guy simply isn’t the head of state and nor will he ever be.

Secondly, the British monarchy have absolutely nothing to do with politics and have remained impartial for nearly 100 years.

The UK government has always been right wing compared to most of the rest of western Europe. It sucks, but it is what it is. But the way you’re talking is as if the UK has suddenly gone to hell when the reality is just that this is just more of the same.

If anything, the biggest footgun the UK has done was leaving the EU, and that was something the dumb British public voted for. We did it to ourselves.