[Workaccount2]

Here's the rub though, you employ these exact same calculations in your day to day life. It's something that when broken down into small steps and questions everyone agrees with it, but then when you drop the big picture result everyone hates it.

If your job is to create one $20 bill every hour, why would anyone ever pay you more than $20/hr to do it? Maybe you get paid $17/hr to do it, $2 goes to overhead and $1 goes to the boss. There are 100 workers so the boss is making $100/hr. If you can solve this problem for how to make the 100 workers "rich" as well, then you will (ironically) become the richest person on Earth.

[johnnyanmac]

>you employ these exact same calculations in your day to day life.

Sure, and you know what I do when it's unprofitable? I just don't do it. I don't think "can I find someone and pay pennies for it?"

Your metaphor doesn't work because It's missing the human element to begin with. There's low paying jobs, and then there's dehumanizing jobs. That isn't a financial incentive, that's a power move.

[Workaccount2]

Your words are nice but they don't provide a solution to paying the people making the $20 bills more.

We could have an amazing society if everyone was all in on "the human element", but the fact of the matter is that the "human element", verifiably, is "As much as I can purchase for as little money as possible".

Your boss wants cheap labor as much as you want cheap housing. Everyone everywhere wants everything as cheap as possible. Organic local carrots @ $6/lb are great, but not as great as the ones @ $4/lb, all else being equal (which doesn't even matter, the human element hardly extends beyond price already).

My point is that hand waving away reality under the guise of hollywood-esque black and white, good guys/bad guys is naive and childish. The world is not a movie or book. Real solutions with tangible benefits come from true understanding of how things work, not virtue signaling takes that con people into thinking capitalism is bad guys twisting mustaches and oppressed saints being exploited.

I can only imagine what a flop a movie based on everyday reality would be, where it's difficult to discern who is actually the bad guy.

[johnnyanmac]

>they don't provide a solution to paying the people making the $20 bills more.

I'm not providing a solution, I'm negating an unethical one. I don't have an answer to world hunger, but I can negate wiping out half the humans on earth as a solution, despite being a valid approach in a vacuum.

>Your boss wants cheap labor as much as you want cheap housing.

Okay, we don't live in Want-Land. Business have to follow laws and hire under regulations, and I have the follow the rules and find a way to house myself. What's your point? We don't get to break rules because they are inconvenient.

>I can only imagine what a flop a movie based on everyday reality would be, where it's difficult to discern who is actually the bad guy.

There's no purely good or buy guys. That doesn't mean that's an excuse to not strive for good. Fatalism does no one good and it's not really a good counterargument to injustices.

You can choose to do nothing. I'd rather not discourage good just because you personally have up.