[okaleniuk]

It's sad that we demoted the field from engineering to philosophy. But it is what it is.

Next step - fashion and belief.

[floydnoel]

philosophy is the basis of reason, math, and science. it's sad that "engineers" don’t understand it or it's import.

[okaleniuk]

Engineers believe in definitions. By definition, philosophy is not a scientific discipline, because as soon as a discipline becomes scientific it... stops being philosophy.

As Alexander Pyatigorsky famously wrote, "the value of philosophy is in that nobody needs it".

[floydnoel]

what i meant was- it is a poor engineer indeed who doesn't understand the concepts of philosophy such as ethics, logic, and how that led to the scientific method.

science without philosophy is just scientism. it leads to engineers creating previously unimaginable horrors!

[WillAdams]

It's an improvement over demagoguery and blind rule-following.

Moreover, the book argues for engineering principles (in pretty much all possible senses of that phrase).

[okaleniuk]

Sure!

I'm not saying that philosophy is bad. Maybe making software just never meant to become an engineering discipline. I mean making clothes, laws, and music isn't. And it's fine.

But engineering does imply some rule-following.