[null_investor]

Remember that... we don't have numbers yet from Tesla in Europe after Musk did the Sieg Heil.

I live in Europe and people absolutely went batshit crazy about it, not only in Germany. People really despise that gesture.

I'm willing to bet sales in Europe for Tesla FY2025 will be terrible.

I know many Tesla owners here that are considering selling the car because they are also afraid of the car dropping even further in price because too many people will want to sell it.

[sime2009]

I'm in the Netherlands and the used market for Tesla has already dropped like a rock. It is flooded with cars from leasing companies who after 5 years now want to sell them on for deprecation and tax purposes.

[LightBug1]

Yup, you can pick up Teslas cheap in the UK now ... and I still won't buy those PoS's ...

[igleria]

This is comforting, as an Argentinian living in Germany. 1 out of 5 people here voted for the AFD...

[lompad]

On average, yes. But if you look on a voting map[0], you'll notice that the majority of those votes comes out of the former DDR. In many other areas, much less than 1 in 5 voted for the brownshirts.

[0]: https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/bundestagswahl/wahlkreiserg...

[bildung]

If you look even deeper, at people's actual attitudes[1], you'll see that far-right positions are approx. equally distributed in Eastern and Western Germany - the kind of people voting AfD in Eastern Germany (currently) just vote CDU in Western Germany.

[1] = Leipziger Autoritarismus-Studie, https://www.boell.de/de/leipziger-autoritarismus-studie

[Garlef]

Yes. But: The map does not reflect polulation density. (Which is rather low)

[at0mic22]

DDR is not a proper Germany, cant count them

[lompad]

No, the point I am making is that it very much depends on their location if this "1 in 5"-average is even remotely true. And looking at overall population statistics and concentration of jobs, it's comparatively likely that somebody migrating to germany is _not_ in those areas.

And I do think that's important to point out.

[at0mic22]

But immigrants do not vote unless they become citizens, do they?

[lompad]

I was originally replying to this comment:

>> This is comforting, as an Argentinian living in Germany. 1 out of 5 people here voted for the AFD...

My fundamental aim here was to show the poster, that it's likely not as bad where they are - and since they are a migrant, I assumed that they were likely not in those really bad areas. Intended as a positive message. Sadly, I apparently butchered the delivery of this message, as several people interpreted it completely differently.

[ssijak]

What about Germans living in Argentina? :)

[igleria]

What about operation paperclip?

[tonyhart7]

Lmao

[BoredPositron]

And 4 out of 5 didn’t.

[igleria]

Thank you, I know how to count. Previous election AFD had half the votes, so what is this "4/5 glass full" comment about?

[BoredPositron]

You have 4 years to address the issue, but instead chose resignation. Rather than collaborating with the other three to help guide the fifth away from radical positions. Now is probably the easiest time to do something against it before it's 2 out of 5 or even worse. What did YOU do in the last 4 years?

[igleria]

paid my taxes and chose public health instead of private so oma und opa could get medical attention they deserve. And now planning on moving to Ireland.

I cannot address the issue because between family and work and interviewing, time is out. I don't speak German, I can't vote.

I'd like to understand if your comment is coming from a German or not.

[BoredPositron]

You've done only the bare legal minimums required to stay in the country. As a non-resident, you would also face challenges obtaining private insurance that provides the same level of care as state insurance for the same price. When fighting fascism, that effort is insufficient. I hope you find time to take up the fight when you're in Ireland, before there are no countries left to escape to. Good riddance.

[JohnKemeny]

Around 50% of the population has an IQ of less than 100.

[techorange]

This just inspired my curiosity, How well normalized is IQ, is it persistent over time, or does the curve meander.

[Juliate]

In France, Tesla Model Y is -57% (compared to Jan '24) at 640 units in January, while other brands are growing at 2813 (Renault 5), 1548 (Citroen E C3), 1177 (Renault Scenic), 762 (Peugeot 3008), among others.

Source: https://www.autojournal.fr/environnement/voitures-electrique...

[palata]

> I know many Tesla owners here that are considering selling the car because they are also afraid of the car dropping even further in price because too many people will want to sell it.

I know some who are considering selling the car because they are afraid of what other people will think knowing they drive a Tesla.

[Neil44]

I would encourage you to watch the whole video of the incident, with sound, and then put your hand on your heart and honestly say you think that was a sieg heil. (but don't throw it to the crowd after)

[rmu09]

It was not a coincidence that it looked like one. Nobody with knowledge of contemporary history would make a gesture that could be interpreted as "Sieg Heil" by mistake at an event that is watched worldwide.

[altacc]

I've watched it, many people have, and have still firmly concluded it was a purposeful action. It's debatable whether it was a true "I'm a Nazi" move or a "I'm a troll" move but the smirk on the face, the long, long history of trolling and antagonizing opponents, the previous comments from Musk that the left was calling him a Nazi, etc... all indicate that he intentionally did something provoking.

This is even more true for the latest copycats from CPAC, which show that the Fascist salute is being normalised and becoming a MAGA symbol. Think about that. Whatever Elon's original intent, the American right is now knowingly doing the fascist salute, not as satire but as a open sign of their politics and provocation to their opponents.

[Hikikomori]

Wanna explain this white supremacy dog whistle?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words

https://theconversation.com/musks-inauguration-salute-is-not...

[dh2022]

I watched the video with sound quite a few times. It was totally heil hitler salute. (Not to bring up the statement Elon made about how Germans should stop apologizing for holocaust. At that point even the anti-defamation league gave upon him. Elon is fascist to the core)

[Neil44]

I don't understand why modern day Germans would have to apologise for the holocaust either, maybe I'm out of touch.

I also don't know why HN keeps these Elon posts up because they're always a shit-show of reddit-ness and I believe most other similarly high-conflict subjects would have been nixed by now.

[ryandrake]

I would encourage anyone who thinks it was not a Nazi sieg heil to go into work and do the exact gesture in front of your boss, and then report back here on what happens.

[thrance]

Actually, I think they went "batshit sane", what other reaction could a sane person have after seeing that happening on live TV, during the POTUS investiture?