[octorian]

This is an easy dodge. The problem is that when lack of repairability becomes the norm, the consumer no longer has that choice. Or they have to severely compromise their market choices in the search for repairable products.

And wanting repairable products is something most consumers don't even think about at time of purchase. Its something that comes further down the line, when the purchase decision has already been made.

[AnthonyMouse]

> And wanting repairable products is something most consumers don't even think about at time of purchase. Its something that comes further down the line, when the purchase decision has already been made.

For cars there is an entirely different problem: New cars come with warranties. The sort of people who buy new cars, typically sell them by the time the warranty expires, so they only care about repairability to the extent it affects resale value, which is an attenuated effect. Then someone else is going to be driving that thing until it's 20+ years old, but the manufacturer isn't responsive to their concerns when designing the car because they aren't the manufacturer's customer in the market for new cars.

[v-erne]

>>they aren't the manufacturer's customer in the market for new cars

Wow somehow this simple observation seems to be the greatest critic of capitalism I have heard in long time. It succintly shows why this system if left alone and scaled will destroy everything with its externalities.

[AnthonyMouse]

The trouble is it isn't limited to "capitalism". A similar set of incentives are implicated in public choice theory, which is why democratic institutions are frequently willing to sell out future generations or compromise the public good to benefit the governing coalition's cronies.

And the latter is more susceptible to it. Things work when you're the customer and you have competing suppliers. They don't work when you're not the customer. But you could still be the customer in another market as long as there is one, e.g. because third parties can reverse engineer the OEM parts and go into competition with them. So a major risk here is that the incumbent captures the government to prevent that from happening.

The closest you generally get to competing alternatives with government is "laboratories of democracy" from having different states each with their own laws and the ability for people to vote with their feet, and even that suffers from the same failure mode. The system is intended to sustain that by having a strictly limited central government, but the central government gets captured by those who want to impose uniformity on what was meant to be diversity.

[JumpCrisscross]

> wanting repairable products is something most consumers don't even think about at time of purchase

This is the core of the problem. The coalition pushing for these laws doesn’t include most consumers. Absent an expensive ad push, I don’t see that changing.

Takeaway: make hay where the sun shines. Focus on farming states and those with lots of dealerships and repair shops. Maybe put an anti-Musk / anti-Tesla angle on it in blue states.

[trinsic2]

This is why organizations are pushing for repeatability scores to be printed on purchasable items, I think that would go a long way towards hinting that this issue is important for consumers in the long run.

[octorian]

Focus on farming also gives the issue a bi-partisan spin, which is something you really need to make any actual progress on issues in US politics these days.

[JumpCrisscross]

> gives the issue a bi-partisan spin

Credentials. Not spin. The farmers are actually calling for this.